Members sabriel9v Posted July 23, 2008 Members Posted July 23, 2008 Great article...the only problem I have is with this, We are debasing ourselves, as a culture and as a people. We have chosen the wrong leaders, the wrong foods, the wrong entertainments, the wrong economic choices, and the wrong lifestyle choices." The writer may come off to some as a high falutined and holier than thou moral dictator. http://flagpole.com/Music/LinerNotes/2008-07-23
Members jaxn slim Posted July 23, 2008 Members Posted July 23, 2008 Great article...the only problem I have is with this, We are debasing ourselves, as a culture and as a people. We have chosen the wrong leaders, the wrong foods, the wrong entertainments, the wrong economic choices, and the wrong lifestyle choices." Yeah. That part is a bit much. It's not our fault we are suckers for good advertising. He starts off speaking about illegal downloading and then just goes on a rant about how we all suck. He does make a good point on a few things, though. It is worrying that our society is not rewarding talent like we used to.
Moderators daddymack Posted July 23, 2008 Moderators Posted July 23, 2008 well, as to what TJ would do...probably go back to fathering illegitimate children with his favorite slave...
Members sabriel9v Posted July 23, 2008 Author Members Posted July 23, 2008 well, as to what TJ would do...probably go back to fathering illegitimate children with his favorite slave... Ouch ...:phil:...
Members Deeprig9 Posted July 23, 2008 Members Posted July 23, 2008 Her rebuttal on the comments link is actually the first intelligent thing I've ever read from her on that subject. She shares an interesting idea, that perhaps has been shared before, but she articulates it well. I'd love to cut and paste it here, but that's not really fair use, and I respect copyright law.
Members masterbuilt Posted July 23, 2008 Members Posted July 23, 2008 Thomas Jefferson was known as a populist, but, his idea of population was centered around white European folks. I have to take exception to that. My family were some of the earliest abolitionists this country had. Jefferson knew that abolishing slavery was morally right, but, he also understood what it meant to the southern economy. He enjoyed his free labor-force (although it was not actually free in the sense that people need food, clothing, shelter, etc... but there was enormous profit in it). John Adams, one of my ancestors, argued that we would be the biggest hypocrits of all time if we published the Declaration of Independence and did not end slavery at the same time. Long before that time, though, many of my family went west to the Ohio River valley to leave Virginia and Quincy, MA to start a lifestyle free from slavery. As far as I am concerned, Jefferson's fooling around is a minor offence compared to his slave ownership.
Members Deeprig9 Posted July 23, 2008 Members Posted July 23, 2008 Thomas Jefferson was known as a populist, but, his idea of population was centered around white European folks. I have to take exception to that. My family were some of the earliest abolitionists this country had. Jefferson knew that abolishing slavery was morally right, but, he also understood what it meant to the southern economy. He enjoyed his free labor-force (although it was not actually free in the sense that people need food, clothing, shelter, etc... but there was enormous profit in it).John Adams, my ancestor, argued that we would be the biggest hypocrits of all time if we published the Declaration of Independence and did not end slavery at the same time. Long before that time, though, many of my family went west to the Ohio River valley to leave Virginia and Quincy, MA to start a lifestyle free from slavery.As far as I am concerned, Jefferson's fooling around is a minor offence conpared to his slave ownership. And......... did you get side tracked? Jefferson also favored the republic, a representative democracy, not a mob rule democracy that ignorant people like to throw around to justify their shaky arguments. Therefore, just because 51% of people want to break the law doesn't mean the law should be repealed. And for the record, I live on Jefferson River Road. Jefferson Davis... that is... And my direct ancestor is Robert E. Lee. How bout' dem apples?
Members Scafeets Posted July 23, 2008 Members Posted July 23, 2008 Her rebuttal on the comments link is actually the first intelligent thing I've ever read from her on that subject. She shares an interesting idea, that perhaps has been shared before, but she articulates it well. I'd love to cut and paste it here, but that's not really fair use, and I respect copyright law. As usual, Gilzenrat's comments/rebuttal are short on a few facts. She assumes that the Rhaposody model for $10 a month ,as she puts it, "all you can eat" is sufficient. That would do the trick for streaming music services, not downloads. And this is complicated by Rhapsody, Napster, iTunes, etc. offer streaming services that are on-demand per song. Then, all you need is something to capture the audio, which is what is happening every day by the thousands. Those monthly subscriptions were supposed to give access to listen, not download at the low monthly fee. Of course, Gilzenrat knows this -- she's just against compensating artists fairly. And the "Canadian Solution" she refers is equally unworkable and more easily manipulated.
Members Deeprig9 Posted July 23, 2008 Members Posted July 23, 2008 As usual, Gilzenrat's comments/rebuttal are short on a few facts. She assumes that the Rhaposody model for $10 a month ,as she puts it, "all you can eat" is sufficient. That would do the trick for streaming music services, not downloads. And this is complicated by Rhapsody, Napster, iTunes, etc. offer streaming services that are on-demand per song. Then, all you need is something to capture the audio, which is what is happening every day by the thousands. Those monthly subscriptions were supposed to give access to listen, not download at the low monthly fee. Of course, Gilzenrat knows this -- she's just against compensating artists fairly. And the "Canadian Solution" she refers is equally unworkable and more easily manipulated. Tell her!!!!!! music@flagpole.com
Members sabriel9v Posted July 23, 2008 Author Members Posted July 23, 2008 Tell her!!!!!!music@flagpole.com Please do. You can e-mail her there or post your rebuttal argument under the comments page of the article.
Members Deeprig9 Posted July 28, 2008 Members Posted July 28, 2008 Holy Crap. Apparently, I'm a music journalist. I didn't know they ever printed this. Follow that original link, and at the bottom, click "How to increase online sales". Or, here it is directly! I wrote this for them, after she wrote about why musicians should give away music for free, as a rebuttal of sorts on how to sell music. She told me they weren't going to publish it until after summer... but apparently they did publish it and I just now found it. Weird!!!! http://flagpole.com/Music/LinerNotes/TipsForSellingMusicOnline/2008-05-14
Members BlueStrat Posted July 28, 2008 Members Posted July 28, 2008 well, as to what TJ would do...probably go back to fathering illegitimate children with his favorite slave... *Sidebar:* Actually, DNA testing has shown that there are as many as 26 possible people with Jefferson's DNA who could have fathered Sally Hemmings' child. A good many historians suspect a nephew or son. Knowing what Jefferson knew, it seems unlikely he would have risked syphillis by cavorting with slaves. It makes for a good story, though. *Resume speculation about what Jefferson would do in 2008.*
Members sabriel9v Posted July 28, 2008 Author Members Posted July 28, 2008 Holy Crap. Apparently, I'm a music journalist. I didn't know they ever printed this. Follow that original link, and at the bottom, click "How to increase online sales". Or, here it is directly! I wrote this for them, after she wrote about why musicians should give away music for free, as a rebuttal of sorts on how to sell music. She told me they weren't going to publish it until after summer... but apparently they did publish it and I just now found it. Weird!!!! http://flagpole.com/Music/LinerNotes/TipsForSellingMusicOnline/2008-05-14 Congrats man
Members masterbuilt Posted July 29, 2008 Members Posted July 29, 2008 *Sidebar:* Actually, DNA testing has shown that there are as many as 26 possible people with Jefferson's DNA who could have fathered Sally Hemmings' child. A good many historians suspect a nephew or son. Knowing what Jefferson knew, it seems unlikely he would have risked syphillis by cavorting with slaves. It makes for a good story, though. *Resume speculation about what Jefferson would do in 2008.* I love this annotation and you tied it up nicely with "resume speculation..."
Moderators daddymack Posted July 30, 2008 Moderators Posted July 30, 2008 *Sidebar:* it seems unlikely he would have risked syphillis by cavorting with slaves. *Resume speculation about what Jefferson would do in 2008.* hmmm...let's see, George Washington, according to several credible sources, died of complications attributed to syphillis...are you suggesting that the Father of our Country was dumber than Jefferson? Come on, they all were into tasting the brown sugar... But today, I think Jefferson would either have his own TV show, a la Anderson Cooper, or would have moved to the Bahamas....or Tahiti...in total disgust as to how we have perverted his original ideals.
Members richardmac Posted July 30, 2008 Members Posted July 30, 2008 Great article...the only problem I have is with this, We are debasing ourselves, as a culture and as a people. We have chosen the wrong leaders, the wrong foods, the wrong entertainments, the wrong economic choices, and the wrong lifestyle choices."The writer may come off to some as a high falutined and holier than thou moral dictator. http://flagpole.com/Music/LinerNotes/2008-07-23 Agree totally. Some good points spoiled somewhat by the traditional "You kids get off my lawn" attitude. Personally, I think I do a pretty good job of choosing the right foods, entertainment, etc. It's harder, in a way, because our options are so much greater than ever before, but if anyone wants to go back to the days of 3 TV channels, small supermarkets, and no computers, be my guest. There are plenty of places in the US where that can still be accomplished, out in the middle of nowhere.
Members BlueStrat Posted July 30, 2008 Members Posted July 30, 2008 hmmm...let's see, George Washington, according to several credible sources, died of complications attributed to syphillis...are you suggesting that the Father of our Country was dumber than Jefferson? Come on, they all were into tasting the brown sugar... Yes, I've heard this old saw a dozen times but it contradicts eyewitness accounts. http://xnet.kp.org/permanentejournal/spring04/time.html
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