Members Jon Gnash Posted June 11, 2009 Members Posted June 11, 2009 You are obviously biased in your use of the Bible (I won't stoop to calling it interpretation) to prove your point of view.No. You don
Members Jon Gnash Posted June 11, 2009 Members Posted June 11, 2009 The Old Testament is to be interpreted in the light of the New Testament. They mesh together since there is one author, God, as penned by the prophets and apostles under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.No. I don
Members Pianoman1976 Posted June 11, 2009 Members Posted June 11, 2009 Not meaning to be disrespectful, but I'm just curious. Could you please explain who or what your god or higher power is? The Christ, and the only way you're going to find Him is by going inward not by going outward. The human relationship with God is universal yet uniquely individual with each person. And all this bickering here over historical facts is a waste of everyones time. If one claims to know God and has God working is his or her life then one's life will reflect this. Also, there is a certain grace to Knowing that transcends all need to fight and argue with others. I am a Jungian scripture analyst, and migrate toward the Franciscan way of things. My mentors that taught me everything I know were both priests. One was Episcopalian and the other a Franciscan. I believe the modern church has gotten disconnected with the human soul and is far too caught up on external concordances what is "right" verses what is true and real. Purity codes and debt codes - external facades that are legalistic and "proper". The ethic of the Kingdom of God is a creative ethic based on love not on legalism.
Members Jon Gnash Posted June 11, 2009 Members Posted June 11, 2009 I believe that I shall not be posting again to respond to any of your heresy. Something about not casting your pearls before swine.You are reduced to name-calling.
Members Jon Gnash Posted June 11, 2009 Members Posted June 11, 2009 The Christ, and the only way you're going to find Him is by going inward not by going outward.If you want to learn about Christ then why not study the bible?
Members mikeymdl Posted June 11, 2009 Members Posted June 11, 2009 You are reduced to name-calling.[/quote"The fool has said in his heart that there is no God"I choose not to argue with a fool.I just call 'em like I see 'em.
Members Ernest Buckley Posted June 11, 2009 Members Posted June 11, 2009 Listening to musicians discussing religion is like listening to Ben Affleck discussing politics. Yes, I agree. With all due respect to everyone that has commented, I do find it really funny that we still feel the need to argue over this stuff. No one is going to sway any votes when it comes to religion and God. So why can`t we all just act civil and move on? I think we can all agree on one thing... my avatar is waaaay hotter than yours!
Members Jon Gnash Posted June 11, 2009 Members Posted June 11, 2009 "The fool has said in his heart that there is no God"I choose not to argue with a fool.I just call 'em like I see 'em.Look at footnote #3 for Psalm 14:1 at NetBible
Members Jon Gnash Posted June 11, 2009 Members Posted June 11, 2009 "The fool has said in his heart that there is no God" I choose not to argue with a fool. I just call 'em like I see 'em. Btw Psalm 14 is considered a very important verse among bible scholars. Do you know why? It
Members Rudolf von Hagenwil Posted June 11, 2009 Members Posted June 11, 2009 See? It all comes from snippets in the OT. It
Members mikeymdl Posted June 11, 2009 Members Posted June 11, 2009 is this forum a bible school now, or what. Definitely not if you listen to what Jon Gnash has to say.
Members Pianoman1976 Posted June 11, 2009 Members Posted June 11, 2009 If you want to learn about Christ then why not study the bible? Yes of course. Yet a true connection has to occur within. And this is what Jesus spoke of. The "kingdom of heaven" referred to as the "kingdom within" is an internal thing, and can't come about just through reading about it or because someone told you about it. Most of my education comes from New Testament studies so I don't knock the Bible whatsoever - yet I feel it's susceptible to grave misinterpretation.The importance of this kingdom within is apparent from even a cursory reading of the Gospels. It is the central arch of Jesus' teachings, being found in Mark's Gospel thirteen times, in Luke's twenty-eight times and in Matthew's thirty-eight times. In John's Gospel it occurs only once, but John uses the equivalent expression "eternal life" with much the same meaning. So this inner thing is significant if not the meaning of life - at least for me.
Members Ryst Posted June 11, 2009 Members Posted June 11, 2009 I think we can all agree on one thing... my avatar is waaaay hotter than yours! :mad:
Members Pianoman1976 Posted June 11, 2009 Members Posted June 11, 2009 Hey you guys, let's go easy on each other. Everybody is entitled to their opinion. Lowering ourselves to fear based stuff like hate and arguing does not feel good. Group hug. Let's get back to bickering about music stuff.
Members Jon Gnash Posted June 11, 2009 Members Posted June 11, 2009 Yet a true connection has to occur within. And this is what Jesus spoke of. The "kingdom of heaven" referred to as the "kingdom within" is an internal thing, and can't come about just through reading about it or because someone told you about it. Most of my education comes from New Testament studies so I don't knock the Bible whatsoever - yet I feel it's susceptible to grave misinterpretation.The importance of this kingdom within is apparent from even a cursory reading of the Gospels. It is the central arch of Jesus' teachings, being found in Mark's Gospel thirteen times, in Luke's twenty-eight times and in Matthew's thirty-eight times. In John's Gospel it occurs only once, but John uses the equivalent expression "eternal life" with much the same meaning. So this inner thing is significant if not the meaning of life - at least for me.Thanks for sharing that with us. What
Members Kaux Posted June 11, 2009 Members Posted June 11, 2009 I think we can all agree on one thing... my avatar is waaaay hotter than yours! Surely!!!! who is she?
Members Rudolf von Hagenwil Posted June 11, 2009 Members Posted June 11, 2009 Definitely not if you listen to what Jon Gnash has to say. Kiddo, I read once Matthew and once Isaiah in Jon's post ---> and that's' it for me with christian nonsense !!!
Members AL Guitar Posted June 11, 2009 Members Posted June 11, 2009 God's alive, religion is dying. I think I agree depending on your meaning.
Members AL Guitar Posted June 11, 2009 Members Posted June 11, 2009 . This proves that the bible was poorly edited, heavily redacted, and that there was an evil conspiracy to change God
Members Pianoman1976 Posted June 11, 2009 Members Posted June 11, 2009 It is an obscure passage. My interpretation would be that they are trying to give the event a cosmic significance by using clearly apocalyptic imagery and not realistic imagery. They are trying to push its significance into the past and therefore into the reader's future. An earthquake is their way of saying this was an earth shattering moment for history. In that context, it starts being helpful. Scripture cannot be taken literally and good folk who ignorantly dismiss Christianity as ridiculous are in many cases doing so because of a literal interpretation. The Bible is written in parables which are fictitious stories with an underlaying metaphorical message.
Members Pianoman1976 Posted June 11, 2009 Members Posted June 11, 2009 but the Koran and Islam is something altogether different. There is much of the New Teatament in the Koran. Jesus is in the Koran. I heard it stated by one of the great theologians of our time that Christianity spoke of the importance of loving thy neighbor and Islam spoke of how to love thy neighbor.
Members Jon Gnash Posted June 11, 2009 Members Posted June 11, 2009 YHWH is the 3rd person masculine of the Hebrew verb "to be" and appears all over the OT but was frequently replaced with El because even writing YHWH was considered sacred to Jews in the Ancient Near East.I can
Members Jon Gnash Posted June 11, 2009 Members Posted June 11, 2009 I'm sure there are a few people who agree with you and I'd love to read some articles but there are clearly a myriad of reasons this is absurd which I'd be happy to get into if you're interested.I
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