Members pink floyd cramer Posted June 9, 2009 Members Posted June 9, 2009 I found God in a tent revival meeting conducted by Barack Obama in a WalMart parking lot. Or was that just my right frontal lobe? I don't really remember.. EDITED: OK it's coming back to me..God was, like me, just a member of the audience. But, unlike me, He was enjoying a break from His full-time job (elections have consequences, you know). I respectfully approached the (one-time) Supreme Being and said "Sorry to inform you, Omnipotent and Omniscient Ruler of the Universe, but Fretwiz doesn't believe in you". Upon which He let out a hearty guffaw, took one last swig from His can of Bud Lite, emitted a thunderous belch, and said "Well you tell that little {censored} I don't believe in HIM, either".
Members nuclear arsenal Posted June 9, 2009 Members Posted June 9, 2009 maybe yours you ever see a dog pray?
Members Rudolf von Hagenwil Posted June 10, 2009 Members Posted June 10, 2009 you ever see a dog pray? maybe, haven't been to the circus for a long time
Members AluminumNeck Posted June 10, 2009 Members Posted June 10, 2009 Well omniprescence would preclude wiating. Being all things at all times simultaneously negates the need for waiting. No, but in case you haven't reached Him lately, He takes naps every now and then, and His cell phone ringer is turned off when He does.BTW He says He likes your music better than the Beatles. He also wants to know when I'm going to send you the mastered files. I told Him "soon," it's deadline time at EQ and I'm updating several Pro Reviews on HC.
Members veracohr Posted June 10, 2009 Members Posted June 10, 2009 Trent Reznor said he was, and I think we should listen to Swami Trent...
Members halljams Posted June 10, 2009 Members Posted June 10, 2009 God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?Meh. Nietzsche was pretty overrated, IMHO. Wow Jeff, that to me is so {censored}ing brilliant and true especially right now.What part rubs you wrong?
Members halljams Posted June 10, 2009 Members Posted June 10, 2009 He had many profound thoughts that are worth hearing, but it seems Nietzsche's philosophies always brings out the nihilist in people, and/or it just attracts them. I read him so differently than how some people do, i find his thoughts simply address modern atheism, and confront it with what it is saying, sometimes sarcastically like this quote. But in a way to bring light to the empty space it leaves.
Members Ernest Buckley Posted June 10, 2009 Members Posted June 10, 2009 The good news is that one day we`ll know the answer. And honestly, no matter what that answer may be, it doesn`t change the way I live my life or my ethics. I`m out...
Members kurdy Posted June 10, 2009 Members Posted June 10, 2009 The good news is that one day we`ll know the answer. And honestly, no matter what that answer may be, it doesn`t change the way I live my life or my ethics. I`m out... Well, that's assuming that there's such thing as an afterlife. But even if it turns out there isn't, it wouldn't necessarily disprove the existence of a higher power. There's always a chance we may never find out one way or the other, regardless.
Members nuclear arsenal Posted June 10, 2009 Members Posted June 10, 2009 speaking of ethics, a system of ethics whereby people should be good because of the rewards or punishments of an afterlife encourages selfishness, only being good because you get something out of it, or being bad if you can get away with it. let's say there's a situation where you can {censored} someone over without consequence, and there's nothing in your religion that says there's anything wrong with this particular circumstance. then there's nothing within that system to prevent you from {censored}ing this person over.
Members Ernest Buckley Posted June 10, 2009 Members Posted June 10, 2009 Well, that's assuming that there's such thing as an afterlife. But even if it turns out there isn't, it wouldn't necessarily disprove the existence of a higher power. There's always a chance we may never find out one way or the other, regardless. Huh? What I wrote assumes nothing. When you die, you`ll either experience the afterlife or you won`t. At which point, you`ll know. As I read somewhere, we can not prove or completely disprove the concept of God so... in the meantime, consider reading The Divine Matrix by Gregg Braden. Quite interesting stuff discussing scientific experiments, human thought and intention. It may change your definition of "God" though.
Members samtrips Posted June 10, 2009 Members Posted June 10, 2009 Huh? What I wrote assumes nothing. When you die, you`ll either experience the afterlife or you won`t. Surely, you'll just be dead? And therefore none the wiser, because your thought processes will have ended, and you won't be able to 'know' anything? Also, surely supposing there is an afterlife for the positive believers, then there also has to be one for the non-believers i.e hell in Christianity? If there is an afterlife, it's not going to be like some people experience it and others don't. It doesn't work like that, the rules have to be constant. Which is why IMO religion is mainly a load of codswallop.
Members Brokepick Posted June 10, 2009 Members Posted June 10, 2009 God's alive, religion is dying. Religion is alive and well. Unfortunately, that is why so many people conclude that God is dead.
Members mikeymdl Posted June 10, 2009 Members Posted June 10, 2009 God is most certainly alive and on His throne. It is our hearts and spirits that are dead until we are born again through Jesus Christ. Religion is in deep trouble in our country. It has for the most part become so seeker sensitive and politically correct that the true message of hope has been watered down or eliminated for fear of offending anyone. Jesus challenged the religious leaders of His time and put them in their place. That is why they wanted Him crucified. He challenged their corrupt way of thinking and their rotten motives and heart attitudes. Peace!
Members BlueStrat Posted June 10, 2009 Members Posted June 10, 2009 God's demise has been reported to be true since before the days of Moses. I'm sure He probably finds it amusing at this point.
Members Brokepick Posted June 10, 2009 Members Posted June 10, 2009 God's demise has been reported to be true since before the days of Moses. I'm sure He probably finds it amusing at this point.I suspect that He's really pissed, but He is bound by the agreements He's made not to interfere with us. What are ya gonna do?
Members Tedster Posted June 10, 2009 Members Posted June 10, 2009 Q: Is God dead? A: No, he's just resting.
Members nuclear arsenal Posted June 10, 2009 Members Posted June 10, 2009 i doubt most of the readers of this site believe in the existence of isis, osiris, ra, thor, venus, mercury, zeus, coyote, the divinity of the jade emperor, prometheus, peyotle, shango, vishnu, gaia, buddha, lao tzu, or a thousand other divinities.if they do believe, they probably only believe in yahweh, and they only believe that his divinity is shown through a specific set of people. all those "terrorist" muslims believe in the same god as all those christians and all those jews, they just have different sets of prophets.besides that, the reason christianity and islam are so ubiquitous is that they prosthyletize incessantly, and kill unbelievers, through crusades, stonings, burnings, inquisitions, suicide bombings, and wars. hell, christianity is based on a man being killed for being sacrilege, and then they spend the next 2 millennia doing the same in the guy's name. you can't blame the religion, since people will use anything as an excuse for violence(see buddhist holy wars), but there it is. you spend your life worshiping a terrible, violent image of a horrendous murder, and then when you see a non-believer, all you see is red.the whole thing is a very dangerous cluster{censored}, and i think people need a healthy dose of history to get a little perspective on what they think they believe. i know people are gonna hate what i just said, but it's how i see it. i'm not selling anything here, except the hope for a more reasoned, peaceful tomorrow, which we're gonna need if we're going to avoid extinction.
Members mikeymdl Posted June 10, 2009 Members Posted June 10, 2009 i doubt most of the readers of this site believe in the existence of isis, osiris, ra, thor, venus, mercury, zeus, coyote, the divinity of the jade emperor, prometheus, peyotle, shango, vishnu, gaia, buddha, lao tzu, or a thousand other divinities.if they do believe, they probably only believe in yahweh, and they only believe that his divinity is shown through a specific set of people. all those "terrorist" muslims believe in the same god as all those christians and all those jews, they just have different sets of prophets.besides that, the reason christianity and islam are so ubiquitous is that they prosthyletize incessantly, and kill unbelievers, through crusades, stonings, burnings, inquisitions, suicide bombings, and wars. hell, christianity is based on a man being killed for being sacrilege, and then they spend the next 2 millennia doing the same in the guy's name. you can't blame the religion, since people will use anything as an excuse for violence, but there it is. you spend your life worshiping a terrible, violent image of a horrendous murder, and then when you see a non-believer, all you see is red.the whole thing is a very dangerous cluster{censored}, and i think people need a healthy dose of history to get a little perspective on what they think they believe.i know people are gonna hate what i just said, but it's how i see it. i'm not selling anything here, except the possibility of a more reasoned, peaceful tomorrow. Sorry. You don't know what you are talking about. Muslims and Christians do not believe in the same God. Jews and Christians yes. The main difference between Jews and Christians is that the Jews did not recognize Jesus as the Messiah whereas the Christians have. The Jewish Bible is the Christian Old Testament, but the Koran and Islam is something altogether different.
Members nuclear arsenal Posted June 10, 2009 Members Posted June 10, 2009 allah is god in arabic, and it's the same god. the books are different, the prophets are different, but it's the same abrahamic god. look it up. in fact, arabic christians call their god allah as well.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_in_Islam And argue not with the People of the Scripture unless it be in (a way) that is better, save with such of them as do wrong; and say: We believe in that which hath been revealed unto us and revealed unto you; our Allah and your Allah is One, and unto Him we surrender. i'm not muslim, btw. i just know how to use google.
Members mikeymdl Posted June 10, 2009 Members Posted June 10, 2009 allah is god in arabic, and it's the same god. the books are different, the prophets are different, but it's the same abrahamic god. look it up. in fact, arabic christians call their god allah as well.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_in_IslamAnd argue not with the People of the Scripture unless it be in (a way) that is better, save with such of them as do wrong; and say: We believe in that which hath been revealed unto us and revealed unto you; our Allah and your Allah is One, and unto Him we surrender.i'm not muslim, btw. i just know how to use google. Wrong. Allah is a term for God, but the Allah of Islam and the Jehovah God of Christianity and Judaism are vastly different. Google will get you quick 'facts' but you also need some understanding of the subject matter. By the way my pastor is a Jew, so I know of what I speak.
Members nuclear arsenal Posted June 10, 2009 Members Posted June 10, 2009 non-sequiters aside, my roommates in college were a jew, a catholic, and a muslim, but that doesn't mean i'm either knowledgeable or ignorant on the subject.
Members AluminumNeck Posted June 10, 2009 Members Posted June 10, 2009 actually they all worship the God EL. and your pretty {censored}ing ignorant to real history. http://www.hebrew4christians.net/Names_of_G-d/El/el.html then of course the great divide of Islam but again its the same fight between Abrham and Isaha http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions and to top that off Issac,Ishmael and Abraham are the split between the jews and arabs.Chrisantiy is reformed Juhdaism. Islam see itself as the next exstension yet of These traditional faiths. Islam originated in the 7th century, in the Arabian cities of Mecca and Medina. Although not a dissident branch of either Judaism or Christianity, Muslims believe it to be a continuation of and replacement for them. The Qur'an (the holy book of Islam) held itself to be the final word of God, and its message was that of all the prophets, which means that Islam did not start with Muhammad but was completed during his time. As an example of the similarities between the faiths, Muslims believe in a version of the story of Genesis and in the lineal descent of the Arabs from Abraham through Ishmael, who was conceived through Abraham's wife Hagar. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishmael my advice. Learn some history before you flap your gums needlessly about the superiority of any religion. Wrong. Allah is a term for God, but the Allah of Islam and the Jehovah God of Christianity and Judaism are vastly different. Google will get you quick 'facts' but you also need some understanding of the subject matter. By the way my pastor is a Jew, so I know of what I speak.
Members Jon Gnash Posted June 10, 2009 Members Posted June 10, 2009 actually they all worship the God EL. How come everyone capitalizes the L in El? It
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