Members doc oc Posted January 30, 2010 Members Share Posted January 30, 2010 Love the sound of this thing but right where I like it, it's just too loud.I have gotten a trade offer for a supersonic which is tempting, but I'm thinking maybe I should try an attenuator first.It's the 85w 65' reissue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Beckman Posted January 30, 2010 Members Share Posted January 30, 2010 Love the sound of this thing but right where I like it, it's just too loud.I have gotten a trade offer for a supersonic which is tempting, but I'm thinking maybe I should try an attenuator first.It's the 85w 65' reissue. The Weber version is the least expensive I have seen, but I don't know if it is tone sucking or not. I use a distortion pedal and/or eq pedal on a clean channel as a sort of attenuator. But, it is a bit tone sucking. You can play really quiet. But, I get the whole thing about using the natural break up of the tubes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Beckman Posted January 30, 2010 Members Share Posted January 30, 2010 Sorry, here: http://www.tedweber.com/atten.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members flummox Posted January 30, 2010 Members Share Posted January 30, 2010 I like the Weber MASS series. But it's going to take some of the sparkle out of your tone - I happen to use bright dirty amps, so that's ok with me. I understand the more expensive units like Ultimate Attenuator are a lot better, but I've never heard one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members flummox Posted January 30, 2010 Members Share Posted January 30, 2010 The Weber version is the least expensive I have seen, but I don't know if it is tone sucking or not.I use a distortion pedal and/or eq pedal on a clean channel as a sort of attenuator. But, it is a bit tone sucking. You can play really quiet. But, I get the whole thing about using the natural break up of the tubes. The Weber, like most passive attenuators, is great for taking ear-splitting, eviction-level volume down to nice satisfying moderately loud. They get pretty murky when you get down to bedroom levels though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members metallica_00 Posted January 30, 2010 Members Share Posted January 30, 2010 Why not just step down in size/power to a Super, Deluxe, etc? I know they're not exactly the same...different speaker configurations, transformers, etc. But honestly the voicings of the amps are pretty much the same. I'd rather run a Deluxe Reverb on 4 than a Twin on 4 with an attenuator on it, you know? I don't know how low you plan to take the volume, but there is a certain factor the pure volume itself plays in the tone. For me there is a big difference between clean below 2 on the volume and say above 3. It's still a clean sound. But at higher volumes, you have more room for dynamics (with the volume really low you can't really have dynamics), the speaker is really filling the room with air, and that's half of the magic IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Doctor Morbius Posted January 30, 2010 Members Share Posted January 30, 2010 Throw a pedal in front of that Twin and forgetaboutit. I head my Twin through a Barber Direct Drive and loved it. Going to have to get one of those soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pigman Posted January 31, 2010 Members Share Posted January 31, 2010 I have the same amp and I've heard about players pulling two of the output tubes, but I've never tried it myself. I did it to an old Mesa and it worked great, but you have to be really careful when doing this and I don't know exactly which tubes to pull. Maybe other forumites have info.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members doc oc Posted January 31, 2010 Author Members Share Posted January 31, 2010 I have the same amp and I've heard about players pulling two of the output tubes, but I've never tried it myself. I did it to an old Mesa and it worked great, but you have to be really careful when doing this and I don't know exactly which tubes to pull. Maybe other forumites have info.... Does it affect the sound? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pigman Posted January 31, 2010 Members Share Posted January 31, 2010 Of course, every amp is different, but you'd be pulling output tubes in a "push-pull" pair -- not preamp tubes, so it shouldn't affect tone, only output. But again, knowing which tubes to pull is key and damage could result if you do it wrong. I'd seek the advice of an expert.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roy Posted January 31, 2010 Members Share Posted January 31, 2010 I have the same amp and I've heard about players pulling two of the output tubes, but I've never tried it myself. I did it to an old Mesa and it worked great, but you have to be really careful when doing this and I don't know exactly which tubes to pull. Maybe other forumites have info.... did this to my marshall once when i blew a tube. had to pull 2 & 4, not sure about fenders just wondering... back in the 70s, had a buddy who built his own attenuator. circuitry looked really simple. anyone ever DIY their own? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members shinsengumi Posted January 31, 2010 Members Share Posted January 31, 2010 I can't speak for Fenders but I play a 100w plexi reissue w/two tubes pulled, and it breaks up a hell of a lot faster at 50w, even though it isn't much quieter. Actually, sometimes it's kind of annoying how fast the breakup is.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members shinsengumi Posted January 31, 2010 Members Share Posted January 31, 2010 did this to my marshall once when i blew a tube. had to pull 2 & 4, not sure about fendersjust wondering... back in the 70s, had a buddy who built his own attenuator. circuitry looked really simple. anyone ever DIY their own? In a Marshall, you pull either the two outer or the two inner. I don't know what a Twin circuit is like, but Marshalls were copies of the Bassman circuit more or less, so it's probably the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JoeFender Posted January 31, 2010 Members Share Posted January 31, 2010 Premiere Guitar had an article about just that. I was reading the paper version today, but it's available online: Tech Tips - Ask Amp Man CAN YOU TURN THAT THING DOWN? DIGITAL http://digital.premierguitar.com/premierguitar/201002_1?pg=59&pm=2&fs=1#pg59 :poke: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members doc oc Posted January 31, 2010 Author Members Share Posted January 31, 2010 Premiere Guitar had an article about just that. I was reading the paper version today, but it's available online: Tech Tips - Ask Amp Man CAN YOU TURN THAT THING DOWN? DIGITAL http://digital.premierguitar.com/premierguitar/201002_1?pg=59&pm=2&fs=1#pg59 :poke: GREAT article. thanks:thu: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JoeFender Posted January 31, 2010 Members Share Posted January 31, 2010 Glad Premiere Guitar could help. Cool mag! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Beatles27 Posted January 31, 2010 Members Share Posted January 31, 2010 Webers take alot of top end off, but I have a DRRI so it sounds good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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