Members etawful Posted February 5, 2010 Members Share Posted February 5, 2010 I'm contemplating building some of these kits and offering completed pedals for sale. Would probably offer some fuzz and distortion pedals to start. I'm just curious if anyone here would have an interest in completed pedals from those kits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BG76 Posted February 5, 2010 Members Share Posted February 5, 2010 Why would I buy something from you I could make myself? You would be better off painting the boxes, giving them a stupid name and charging the morons a lot of money for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members etawful Posted February 5, 2010 Author Members Share Posted February 5, 2010 Why would I buy something from you I could make myself?You would be better off painting the boxes, giving them a stupid name and charging the morons a lot of money for them. Unlike many folks out there, you (and I) know how to solder and have no fears of doing so. Lots of folks aren't willing to do it. That's why I'm doing an interest check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Fuelish Posted February 5, 2010 Members Share Posted February 5, 2010 I'm just curious if anyone here would have an interest in completed pedals from those kits? Not I ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members PanaDP Posted February 5, 2010 Members Share Posted February 5, 2010 I wouldn't unless you're going to offer variations on those pedals. BYOC kits are expensive enough that I could go out and buy a lot of the pedals they're based on for about the same money as the kit. Once you mark it up for your labor, that's become the expensive option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members etawful Posted February 5, 2010 Author Members Share Posted February 5, 2010 I wouldn't unless you're going to offer variations on those pedals. BYOC kits are expensive enough that I could go out and buy a lot of the pedals they're based on for about the same money as the kit. Once you mark it up for your labor, that's become the expensive option. I have some ideas for some customizations too, but I need to test them first. Some of what I'm considering might be kind of tough to fit in the enclosure properly so I need to figure out exactly how to fit it and make it user friendly to control (I'll provide full details once I know I can make it work). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BG76 Posted February 5, 2010 Members Share Posted February 5, 2010 Unlike many folks out there, you (and I) know how to solder and have no fears of doing so.Lots of folks aren't willing to do it. That's why I'm doing an interest check. From the BYOC site: Q: Do I need to know how to solder to build any of the kits?A: No, but it certainly helps. BYOC pcb's have plated through holes which make soldering muchmuch easier than other pcb's so don't be afraid. But there are lots of instructional vid clips on thenet if you want a few pointers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members etawful Posted February 5, 2010 Author Members Share Posted February 5, 2010 From the BYOC site:Q: Do I need to know how to solder to build any of the kits?A: No, but it certainly helps. BYOC pcb's have plated through holes which make soldering muchmuch easier than other pcb's so don't be afraid. But there are lots of instructional vid clips on thenet if you want a few pointers. There are a lot of people here that would pay a tech to install a new pot on a guitar, if they can't do that, what makes you think they'd build this? Tell you what . . . if you aren't interested, say so, move on. You don't need to quote me {censored} I've already read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BG76 Posted February 5, 2010 Members Share Posted February 5, 2010 You said a lot of people don't want to solder. BYOC says you don't need to know how. I think you would have better luck designing your own pedals - maybe adding a mod onto a BYOC pedal and then buying your parts from Mouser or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members etawful Posted February 5, 2010 Author Members Share Posted February 5, 2010 You said a lot of people don't want to solder. BYOC says you don't need to know how.I think you would have better luck designing your own pedals - maybe adding a mod onto a BYOC pedal and then buying your parts from Mouser or something. There are very few pedals left to design. The pedals that do the best are variations or re-issues of long-existing designs. (once again, I do have some mods in mind, it's just figuring out how to fit them in a small enclosure instead of upping the size of the box considerably). They can say that you don't need to solder all they want, but the fact is that if you don't know how to solder, you're going to have a mighty hard time keeping components firmly attached to a PCB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members benricci Posted February 5, 2010 Members Share Posted February 5, 2010 Unless it's your own design/sound, then no. I see no point. From a consumer standpoint, it'll end up being cheaper to just buy the pedal you're trying to imitate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members orbm1 Posted February 5, 2010 Members Share Posted February 5, 2010 There are a lot of people here that would pay a tech to install a new pot on a guitar, if they can't do that, what makes you think they'd build this? Tell you what . . . if you aren't interested, say so, move on. You don't need to quote me {censored} I've already read. If you are so sure that people will be interested.... WHY in the world are you asking for opinions??? They give you their opinions and you get upset!!! BIG and BTW, I would not be interested, unless you were local and with known reputation, so if something goes bad I know that you will provide warranty service... Thanks Omar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members catalinagooseV2 Posted February 5, 2010 Members Share Posted February 5, 2010 I built their British Blues pedal about 9 months ago. That thing kicks ass. It's the only overdrive I use now. I think you would be able to sell a couple of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members etawful Posted February 5, 2010 Author Members Share Posted February 5, 2010 If you are so sure that people will be interested.... WHY in the world are you asking for opinions???They give you their opinions and you get upset!!! : Who's upset? Certainly not I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members etawful Posted February 5, 2010 Author Members Share Posted February 5, 2010 I built their British Blues pedal about 9 months ago. That thing kicks ass. It's the only overdrive I use now. I think you would be able to sell a couple of those. Thank you. Now, if there was anything you could change about that pedal, what would it be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BG76 Posted February 5, 2010 Members Share Posted February 5, 2010 Thank you. Now, if there was anything you could change about that pedal, what would it be? You could make it cheaper. Buy all your parts in bulk and sell the completed pedal cheaper then the kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members catalinagooseV2 Posted February 5, 2010 Members Share Posted February 5, 2010 Thank you. Now, if there was anything you could change about that pedal, what would it be? The instructions came with a couple of different mods you could do while building the pedal. I think it even came with some different value parts in the kit for those mods. One of the mods was to reduce the treble and I forgot what the other was. I built mine stock and I liked the way it sounded so I didn't do any mods on mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members etawful Posted February 5, 2010 Author Members Share Posted February 5, 2010 You could make it cheaper. Buy all your parts in bulk and sell the completed pedal cheaper then the kit. You're right. I could. And, I may end up doing it that way. I have some ideas that would start out with the typical circuits they offer, but I have some ideas for switching that I can't imagine would fit in the box they include. The more I think about it, the more I start to think that using their PCB, while easy, won't really allow the flexibility I want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 1esotericguy Posted February 5, 2010 Members Share Posted February 5, 2010 Paint services for completed pedals is the service I'd pay for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jpnyc Posted February 5, 2010 Members Share Posted February 5, 2010 Unless your time is worth nothing or you solder like The Flash the cost of labor should make these pedals more expensive than factory pedal. Why would I buy a BYOC assembled from you when I could just buy a factory-made pedal with a warranty for what will likely be the same price? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members etawful Posted February 5, 2010 Author Members Share Posted February 5, 2010 Paint services for completed pedals is the service I'd pay for. I actually had an idea for a finish on them that isn't paint, but would be extremely cool looking and durable (comes from my days of surfboard repair). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members etawful Posted February 5, 2010 Author Members Share Posted February 5, 2010 Unless your time is worth nothing or you solder like The Flash the cost of labor should make these pedals more expensive than factory pedal. Why would I buy a BYOC assembled from you when I could just buy a factory-made pedal with a warranty for what will likely be the same price? Why would someone buy a strat made from Warmoth (or other) parts when they could by a MIM Strat with a warranty for less? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members etawful Posted February 5, 2010 Author Members Share Posted February 5, 2010 Well, it's obvious to me that the people here who would be interested are in the minority. Thus the interest check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members benricci Posted February 5, 2010 Members Share Posted February 5, 2010 Why would someone buy a strat made from Warmoth (or other) parts when they could by a MIM Strat with a warranty for less? Your analogy doesn't work. People buy from Warmoth because they can piece together the exact group of parts and components they want to make a truly unique, customized instrument with all their preferred specs. If you're just offering to assemble something from a kit (even with your own mod), that's not the same as someone building a one-off, custom spec'd piece of gear. For that, people are willing to pay more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members etawful Posted February 5, 2010 Author Members Share Posted February 5, 2010 Your analogy doesn't work.People buy from Warmoth because they can piece together the exact group of parts and components they want to make a truly unique, customized instrument with all their preferred specs.If you're just offering to assemble something from a kit (even with your own mod), that's not the same as someone building a one-off, custom spec'd piece of gear.For that, people are willing to pay more. First, I said buy it already made from those parts, not buy it and build it yourself. Second, the analogy works very well, as both involve building something using readily available parts based on already existing designs customized with various modifications. But think what you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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