Members mikerayhall Posted October 13, 2008 Members Share Posted October 13, 2008 has anyone out there attempted this before..the neck is gonna have to be wood..but i think this will be a very interesting projectdoes anyone have any helpful infoi think im gonna build it out of lexani might make a hollowbody.. bigger than the super 400 idk.. in over my head? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DaveAronow Posted October 13, 2008 Members Share Posted October 13, 2008 has anyone out there attempted this before..the neck is gonna have to be wood..but i think this will be a very interesting projectdoes anyone have any helpful infoi think im gonna build it out of lexani might make a hollowbody.. bigger than the super 400idk.. in over my head? This project would be VERY involved, even for an experienced boat builder(me), but I would never try to discourage anyone from attempting something theyt are intersted in. The worst you could do is waste a little time and money and come away with alot more knowlege about the subject then you ever even knew existed before you first tried it, and a huge appreciation for the craft from trying it yourself. The best you could do(not very likely on your first atttempt) would be to create a world class piece of art that plays and sounds better than you could have ever dreamed. Yes. It absolutely can be done, but it is a very involved project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sk8centilli Posted October 13, 2008 Members Share Posted October 13, 2008 Airline beat you to it about 45yrs ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mikerayhall Posted October 13, 2008 Author Members Share Posted October 13, 2008 yeah i know. its gonna be tough.. and i own a town and country airline that i gave an arm and a leg for..i just wish it had a bigger body and eastwood doesnt make the re issues any bigger.. so im gonna prolly have a wall hanger on my first attempt thats what i thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sk8centilli Posted October 13, 2008 Members Share Posted October 13, 2008 .. so im gonna prolly have a wall hanger on my first attempt If it has to be that way it will make beautiful art Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mikerayhall Posted October 13, 2008 Author Members Share Posted October 13, 2008 true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DaveAronow Posted October 13, 2008 Members Share Posted October 13, 2008 Airline beat you to it about 45yrs ago. He was just asking if it would be tough to do. I dont think he was interested in being the first. It is not a race, dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Captain Commie Posted October 13, 2008 Members Share Posted October 13, 2008 hmmmm, I would ask, why? If you built it out of fiberglass it would take a ludicriss amount of fiberglass to make a reasonibly thick guitar. You'd need to either put a piece of wood in the middle or use some kind of foam filler, which I doubt would have good tonal properties. And this is coming from a guy who works as sail instructor/boat maintance man at a yachtclub. Edit, whoops didn't catch the hollow body part... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mikerayhall Posted October 13, 2008 Author Members Share Posted October 13, 2008 yeah, i was going for that super 400 feel. with f holes and the hole nine yards. ill have to make a jig or 3 for the parts and them piece them together.or like an early dano. just hollow in the center.but i open to everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DaveAronow Posted October 13, 2008 Members Share Posted October 13, 2008 hmmmm, I would ask, why? If you built it out of fiberglass it would take a ludicriss amount of fiberglass to make a reasonibly thick guitar. You'd need to either put a piece of wood in the middle or use some kind of foam filler, which I doubt would have good tonal properties. And this is coming from a guy who works as sail instructor/boat maintance man at a yachtclub. Edit, whoops didn't catch the hollow body part... Sailing instructor doesnt make you a boat builder. It will NOT take alot of fiberglass. He is talking about making a hollow body, in which case he has two reasonalbe choices. A. Make a mold in two halves, a top and a bottom, lay in his cloth or raw fibers, epoxy, etc. OR, he could use some kind of preshaped core material, maybe foam or similar. He could even make a shape out of wax, lay the fiberglass over it, let it cure, and then melt the wax out of it leaving a hollow shell. There are ALOT of ways to make a hollow body fiberglass shell without using a "ludicrous" amount of fiberglass as you put it. Even a solid guitar made completely out of fiberglass and epoxy wouldnt take alot of fiberglass. Edit: Whoops, didnt catch the part where you said "Edit: whoops didnt catch the hollow body part":lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members metalhead666666 Posted October 13, 2008 Members Share Posted October 13, 2008 He was just asking if it would be tough to do.I dont think he was interested in being the first.It is not a race, dude. he did ask if anyone attempted it before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sk8centilli Posted October 13, 2008 Members Share Posted October 13, 2008 has anyone out there attempted this before.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Electric Blues Posted October 13, 2008 Members Share Posted October 13, 2008 hmmmm You'd need to either put a piece of wood in the middle... which I doubt would have good tonal properties. DANG! My Sheraton has this big ol' hunk of wood running right down the middle of it. I used to love the sound but after reading this post... I guess it's just a POS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mikerayhall Posted October 13, 2008 Author Members Share Posted October 13, 2008 yeah, i know airline did it in the 60's i was wondering if there was anyone on the forum that attempted it.. sorry for not making that clear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sk8centilli Posted October 13, 2008 Members Share Posted October 13, 2008 yeah, i know airline did it in the 60's i was wondering if there was anyone on the forum that attempted it.. sorry for not making that clear No, I apologize for not adding a ":D" to the end of my original post. Now it's just a pissing match between myself and Dave *I didn't forget this time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Electric Blues Posted October 13, 2008 Members Share Posted October 13, 2008 Would it be possible to shape the guitar like a surfboard? Make the shape out of foam and after covering it with fiberglass, pour some paint thinner in there to eat away the foam? I guess the wood block would have to be used so as to install the neck, bridge and tailpiece onto the body? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ihavenofish Posted October 13, 2008 Members Share Posted October 13, 2008 Would it be possible to shape the guitar like a surfboard? Make the shape out of foam and after covering it with fiberglass, pour some paint thinner in there to eat away the foam?I guess the wood block would have to be used so as to install the neck, bridge and tailpiece onto the body? youd probably want to do it alot like a wood hollow body is done. a block to mount the neck, and probably one at the bridge if its a tunomatic or strat hardtail type. mould the top and back, then glue them together with the wood blocks. foam would work, but you wouldnt get as nice a surface finish and would need to do a lot of filling to get it smooth. the "standard" way of doing shapes like this would be to build a positive out of clay or wood, then layer it with fibreglass to make a negative mould. then you use that to creat the final positive shells. this would give you the best chance at a nice surface and "precise" shape. sound like fun. oh.. and dave.. wheres that carbon guitar at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mr.Mow Posted October 13, 2008 Members Share Posted October 13, 2008 For what its worth the Fender/Squier Stratacoustics and Telecoustics are Fibreglass backs. Something tells me the ovation acoustics use a fibreglass back too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mikerayhall Posted October 13, 2008 Author Members Share Posted October 13, 2008 No, I apologize for not adding a ":D" to the end of my original post. Now it's just a pissing match between myself and Dave *I didn't forget this time haha, its fine. the wood block idea is definitely the way i would do it.. thats how im going to attempt it anyway. ive never worked directly with fiberglass. so ive got alot of research to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cassette Posted October 13, 2008 Members Share Posted October 13, 2008 the original airlines did have blocks of wood down the middle for the neck to attach to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mikerayhall Posted October 13, 2008 Author Members Share Posted October 13, 2008 im gonna make a mold for the front and back of the hollow fiberglass bodyand bond them together with a separate strip of fiber glass. at the seam.this should work??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mikerayhall Posted October 13, 2008 Author Members Share Posted October 13, 2008 does wood glue work on fiberglass and wood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ferdinandstrat Posted October 13, 2008 Members Share Posted October 13, 2008 does wood glue work on fiberglass and wood? For fibreglass you need a special resin of some sorts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DaveAronow Posted October 13, 2008 Members Share Posted October 13, 2008 does wood glue work on fiberglass and wood? The traditional hardener or encapsulation medium used for hardening fiberglass are two part epoxy resin systems. You could also use polyester resin. I immagine you could even use wood glue, but the wood glue would not be waterproof and it would disintegrate with prolonged contact with water, sweat, etc, AND it wouldnt cure anywhere remotely as hard and as strong as epoxy. The combination of the glass fibers and the very hard and very strong properties of the cured epoxy make the cured fiberglass VERY strong and hard for its weight. There are alot of substances you could use for the encapsulation other than epoxy, but I am not sure why anyone would want to., No. Dont use wood glue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DaveAronow Posted October 13, 2008 Members Share Posted October 13, 2008 im gonna make a mold for the front and back of the hollow fiberglass bodyand bond them together with a separate strip of fiber glass. at the seam.this should work??? This is the best method to achieve your goal. Go to a book store or the library and get a book an the basics of fiberglass building and repair how to's. There are plenty of them out there, and there is alot to know about this subject if you have never worked with it before. You can get a ton of info out of one of these books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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