Can you explain the sonic differences from replacing a speaker?

[metal0822]

So I have been having thoughts of selling my jcm 2000 combo after recently discovering the new ac15 vids (what else is new here:lol:). Anyways, I had lots of fun jamming my marshall today, and was wondering if the stock speaker is creating the thing that annoys me about my amp. it just sounds a little dull to me, like its missing some sparkle...kinda like old strings, maybe you could call it muffled? anyhow, i was wondering what swapping it with something like a v30 could do to improve the tones. would it be that noticable? do the words i used described what an inferior speaker would sound like, or just amp characteristic? thanks a lot.

[Mudder1310]

Mike Soldano, who knows something about amps, always suggests changing speakers or cabinets to make the most difference in tone. I know several people with 10 or so 4x12 cabs, just so they can try an amp with many different speakers before declaring it a bad amp. Some amps are just better with particular speakers.

[SirJackdeFuzz]

So I have been having thoughts of selling my jcm 2000 combo after recently discovering the new ac15 vids (what else is new here:lol:). Anyways, I had lots of fun jamming my marshall today, and was wondering if the stock speaker is creating the thing that annoys me about my amp. it just sounds a little dull to me, like its missing some sparkle...kinda like old strings, maybe you could call it muffled? anyhow, i was wondering what swapping it with something like a v30 could do to improve the tones. would it be that noticable? do the words i used described what an inferior speaker would sound like, or just amp characteristic? thanks a lot.

 

 

NEW speakers, i.e. GOOD After Market drivers CAN & WILL improve your current amp's tone, IF you like the sonic diff's that the new speakers bring to the table.

Saying that, it could also make your amp sound like crapp.

 

 

http://www.jensentone.com/alnico_index2.php - Jensen

 

http://www.eminence.com/guitar.asp?speaker_size=12 - Emi

 

 

Just listen how these speaker differ from one another

And they sound even better once they are broken in.

+/- after 100hours of LOUD playing.

[metal0822]

so yes i should replace it?

[soundcreation]

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[jjblacksheep]

Big big difference, usually, will be noticed. Email Eminence (or whomever) and detail your rig, what is lacking or too prominent, and you'll likely get some good suggestions and go from there with the recommended specs and shop other manufacturers with similar speakers. Huge impact on your tone.

[atrox]

I wouldn't try a v30 in a combo (In fact I despise them with most Marshall amps). Combo's have a natural middy "honk" because of their open back. Then adding a mid-heavy speaker on a mid-heavy amp in a mid-heavy enclosure...

 

I've had luck with Celestion Greenbacks or Gt12-65's in Marshall combo's. Also, Eminence Private Jacks seems to be a good fit

[metal0822]

thanks for the tips, and i think i know what you mean by that midrange honk ( i think its what im hearing now). ill definitely look into some of the speakers you mentioned. and i watched that video a few months ago, ill have to listen to again when i get to my home computer.

[BoneNut]

Changing the speaker in my Peavey C30 made a huge difference. Bought a Weber alnico Silver Bell for it and couldn't be more pleased.

 

Damn speaker cost me half of what the amp did but it was definitely worth it. You do have to do a lot of investigation to make sure you get a speaker that will give your the tone you're after.

[jpnyc]

Different speakers are made for different kinds of music. That

[Nardis]

Stiffer material/better construction = tighter response to electrical wave, generally speaking. That's one area. Magnet size/voice coil construction is another.

 

Designers of course work with these parameters to 'voice' their stuff independent of enclosures, which is the next step. But these are the basics of how one similarly sized speaker will sound different from another.

 

Sorry if that's Capt'n Obvious, or if I missed the question ... just chiming in

[SirJackdeFuzz]

 

 

 

I forgot about this clip.

Still, not the best for betting an rough idea of how these speakers sound - way too much gain.

I also do not EQ my amp anything close to this.

[Fred Buzz]

What the heck is that smell here?

[SirJackdeFuzz]

I've had luck with Celestion Greenbacks or Gt12-65's in Marshall combo's. Also, Eminence Private Jacks seems to be a good fit

 

I feel simmilar to you, but for me it is not the mid range (i love mids) but it is :

 

...a Marshall has a natural trebly hi end (to my ears) that i do not like one bit, and so does the V30. They too have a ear piercing top end that i do not like.

 

The WORST rig for me, would be an Ibanez RG with a Duncan JB in the bridge (also extremely ice picky in those guitars) into a JCM800, into a 4x12 cab with four V30 speakers.

 

My poor ears :mad:

 

 

 

 

 

Going slightly off topic :

 

What i do love is :

 

Gibson SG w Duncan A2P's (set) --->Marshall VintageModern head --->Marshall VM cab with 4X Jensen BlackBirds =

[BlueSteam]

I've only ever kept the original speaker in two amps... most combos come with cheap speakers... For instance, I'm sure your JCM2000 already has a "Celestion" in it, but I highly doubt you'd be able to find that particular speaker on their website. Putting a real Celestion (or equivalent) in it would make a huge difference.

[atrox]

 

I feel simmilar to you, but for me it is not the mid range (i love mids) but it is : ...a Marshall has a natural trebly hi end (to my ears) that i do not like one bit, and so does the V30. They too have a ear piercing top end that i do not like.

 

 

I cut the treble cap on my 800 and use 65/75 X pattern. It's a nice balance. You are correct that a stock 800 has a ton of high end. Just cut or reduce that cap value.

 

I love mids... especially Marshall mids. i was just saying that that many mids can be a bit overwhelming. You'd cut through everything, but it would just be way to honky

[SirJackdeFuzz]

I cut the treble cap on my 800 and use 65/75 X pattern. It's a nice balance. You are correct that a stock 800 has a ton of high end. Just cut or reduce that cap value. I love mids... especially Marshall mids. i was just saying that that many mids can be a bit overwhelming. You'd cut through everything, but it would just be way to honky

 

 

Ahhhh, clever man

 

Now if i can only locate the treb cap on the VintageModern.

[atrox]

Ahhhh, clever man Now if i can only locate the treb cap on the VintageModern.

 

Try looking for a cap on the input. I'd, of course, do some reading up on it first for the Vintage Modern

[MorganB]

That Rivera Kicks ass!

[steve_man]

If you don't like mid-range honk...you don't want a V30...you need to look at a Greenback, or an Eminence Private Jack/Wizard...

[SirJackdeFuzz]

Try looking for a cap on the input. I'd, of course, do some reading up on it first for the Vintage Modern

 

Thanx - will do

[Joranges]

One of the best cabs I ever played with was a 1x12 that was the size of a 2x12 (I didn't know it was a 1x12 until I looked it up online).

 

I had built many 1x12s in my time and never got any to sound as good as the the that one.

 

Anyways, what I am trying to get at is that your cabinet's chamber size, wood and other construction details can play a big role as well in amplifying which frequencies you want/don't want.

[metal0822]

seems like i have a lot of research to do for different speakers..

[metal0822]

just watched the video...i liked the v30 the best

 

edit, just found a good video... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bwIwsP-d9g

listen to the clean channel with the stock and then the v30. its pretty much what i want to happen to mine...can you hear the dullness or lack of sparkle i was speaking of on this first clip? the second sounds much better, although i wouldn't eq quite like i him. it seems like the speaker is what is causing the nuances i hear with my amp though. thanks everyone, and let me know what you think.