Members Fersnachi Posted November 11, 2010 Members Share Posted November 11, 2010 The second one is mine apparently newer guitars have a finish that dosent deteriorate? :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Angry Tele Posted November 11, 2010 Members Share Posted November 11, 2010 it will if you play the crap out of it. Poly wears just at a rate much slower then nitro. My nitro finished tele is starting to wear after a few months. The problem is most people own like 30 guitars. Back in the day not only were guitars nitro but people only played 1. Its a myth that nitro guitars take 20 years to age, there are pics of people like Don Rich playing a well worn Tele that is only a few years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pixelchemist Posted November 11, 2010 Members Share Posted November 11, 2010 my 13 year old strat is beat up but nothing even close to that hell my 46yo guild is in better shape than that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Just A Box Posted November 11, 2010 Members Share Posted November 11, 2010 If you wanted to put the time in, you could make yours look like that in 20 hours...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Fersnachi Posted November 11, 2010 Author Members Share Posted November 11, 2010 But its been a while and its still so shiny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Hubert Stumblin Posted November 11, 2010 Members Share Posted November 11, 2010 I'd say any guitar that's used near to the point of being abused with all the stuff that can happen while gigging (dropping, falling, smoke, buckle rash, sweat that wears down the finish where your arm rubs on the body, etc.) is gonna look worn. My Strat is 20 years old now. But because I don't gig it looks pretty much brand new still. The maple board has shown a bit of yellowing but that's pretty much it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Just A Box Posted November 11, 2010 Members Share Posted November 11, 2010 The problem with relic'd guitars is that usually, unless it's a very, very thorough job, the bridge, hardware & neck look brand new. Essentially only the body & maybe the headstock was touched.. Got me thinking though..... could I put together a relic'd Tele someday? Hmmmmmmmmmmm..... Iiiiinteresting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GilmourD Posted November 11, 2010 Members Share Posted November 11, 2010 Welcome to 1968, when Fender stopped using a pure lacquer (either nitrocellulose or acrylic) finish. In 1968, ALL Fenders had a polyester undercoat underneath the lacquer. In 1983 they went to polyurethane as the top coat and stopped using polyester on necks. Given that the guitar in your top pic has a mint three-ply pickguard, what looks like a late '50s blonde finish, a '60s bridge pickup with raised D&G poles, and '60s style saddles, all with a one-piece maple neck... I don't think anybody thought those two-to-four guitars that example is assembled from were going to look like that in 20 years. Yours is a Mexican Standard with a polyurethane neck finish and polyester body finish... So, no, it won't look like well-worn nitro or acrylic lacquer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Hubert Stumblin Posted November 11, 2010 Members Share Posted November 11, 2010 Poly wears just at a rate much slower then nitro. My nitro finished tele is starting to wear after a few months. True. My Strat is poly. Practically armor plated as far as the usual abuse goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Angry Tele Posted November 11, 2010 Members Share Posted November 11, 2010 The problem with relic'd guitars is that usually, unless it's a very, very thorough job, the bridge, hardware & neck look brand new. Essentially only the body & maybe the headstock was touched..Got me thinking though..... could I put together a relic'd Tele someday?Hmmmmmmmmmmm..... Iiiiinteresting... the plating on the hardware though chips and falls off pretty fast, even the stuff on my US52RI. The neck is the hardest part. Nitro necks wear fast, poly not at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Fersnachi Posted November 11, 2010 Author Members Share Posted November 11, 2010 Welcome to 1968, when Fender stopped using a pure lacquer (either nitrocellulose or acrylic) finish. In 1968, ALL Fenders had a polyester undercoat underneath the lacquer. In 1983 they went to polyurethane as the top coat and stopped using polyester on necks.Given that the guitar in your top pic has a mint three-ply pickguard, what looks like a late '50s blonde finish, a '60s bridge pickup with raised D&G poles, and '60s style saddles, all with a one-piece maple neck... I don't think anybody thought those two-to-four guitars that example is assembled from were going to look like that in 20 years.Yours is a Mexican Standard with a polyurethane neck finish and polyester body finish... So, no, it won't look like well-worn nitro or acrylic lacquer. Thats is very observant!! How did you tell all that from two pics both of which dont show the Headstock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Angry Tele Posted November 11, 2010 Members Share Posted November 11, 2010 heres the problem far right is my 52RI, you can see fretboard wear on 2nd and 3rd frets (the dark areas) heres the body you can see where the nitro chipped away and underneath is the poly (the white areas) these areas will never darken because the poly is underneath. So the neck because it is all nitro is wearing fast, but the body will always look like it does, chips with white areas underneath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GilmourD Posted November 11, 2010 Members Share Posted November 11, 2010 Thats is very observant!! How did you tell all that from two pics both of which dont show the Headstock? You stare at enough guitars for a long time and you can star to tell them apart. The top one has a transparent look to the finish but almost seems solid white at that angle. If you got a straight on view, you'd see more grain. The saddles are the threaded type that were used in the '60s. The pickguard has a greenish tone from the particular plastic they used in the early '60s before they went with vinyl. The bridge pickup has the raised D&G poles that they used in the '60s. And for the neck, there's no visible seam for a separate fretboard, which they would've started using in the late '60s when they reintroduced maple boards. As far as the MIM Standards, the bridge and the color of the neck are the dead giveaways, but the body edge radius is also subtly different. I can spot a non US Fender body a mile away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Steadfastly Posted November 11, 2010 Members Share Posted November 11, 2010 I couldn't stand having a beat up looking guitar. I would re-finish it. Of course, I realize that not everyone has the ability or the money to do that, but would like to have a newer looking guitar but for them it may not be possible at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DaleH Posted November 11, 2010 Members Share Posted November 11, 2010 It will never age like a nitro tele. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Presto1202 Posted November 11, 2010 Members Share Posted November 11, 2010 Hmm...I'm about to start a building project and I have to finish the body myself. I think I'll try to go with a finish more like the older style cuz I'd kinda like to have a guitar that'll age like Clapton's Blackie or SRV's guitar. I don't want to relic it because, for me personally, I feel like I have to earn the look of that wear and tear by playing it instead of creating it artificially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members caveman Posted November 11, 2010 Members Share Posted November 11, 2010 Angry Tele is correct, you had one guitar that you gigged with till the frets wore out. Then you sold it and bought a new one. If we had only had the prescience of mind to realize that someday people would pay big $$$$ for beat to hell gear...........We might not have been so eager to sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members *BLEEP* Posted November 11, 2010 Members Share Posted November 11, 2010 Original guitar versus same guitar 50 years later after some updates and natural relic-ing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dcooper830 Posted November 11, 2010 Members Share Posted November 11, 2010 Can somebody tell me why it's so important that guitars get beat up and relic'd looking over time? And why poly durability is so disappointing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mr_GoodBomb Posted November 11, 2010 Members Share Posted November 11, 2010 Well, no, since you've got a modern 6 saddle bridge, your neck pickup has adjustment screws, etc. Dcooper, beat-up guitars look cool. Prestine guitars look like they're never played or you're a yuppie. That's just how a lot of people see it, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mrbrown49 Posted November 11, 2010 Members Share Posted November 11, 2010 Can somebody tell me why it's so important that guitars get beat up and relic'd looking over time? And why poly durability is so disappointing? I don't get it either. If you look at from the point of view that a finish should be durable and protective, nitro is actually a pretty terrible choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Presto1202 Posted November 11, 2010 Members Share Posted November 11, 2010 Can somebody tell me why it's so important that guitars get beat up and relic'd looking over time? And why poly durability is so disappointing? I think it depends on the guitar. I like some guitars to look new and others to look old. I've had my Jackson for 20 years and, though it's aged very well, there are a few tiny dings in it that I wish weren't there but the finish has held up very well and I'm very thankful for that. I hope my JP6 holds up that well but it's only 3 years old so I don't know yet. On the other hand, there are guitars that look great with some wear and tear. Clapton and SRV had strats. Paisley and Summers have their teles. You could just tell they spent a lot of time with those guitars and they'd probably have some great stories if they could talk. There's just something cool about an instrument that looks worn in by it's owner. It's the ultimate form of instrument bonding and customization and no money can buy it. If you pay enough, it can be imitated but not duplicated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lincoln40 Posted November 11, 2010 Members Share Posted November 11, 2010 Can somebody tell me why it's so important that guitars get beat up and relic'd looking over time? And why poly durability is so disappointing? i think it became popular because of the way SRV guitars look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GreaserMatt Posted November 11, 2010 Members Share Posted November 11, 2010 The second one is mine apparently newer guitars have a finish that dosent deteriorate? :confused: Not if its painted w/ poly paint; I have al old kramer striker bass that I beat on fr 20+ years & all it has on it is some dings. tough stuff that poly paint... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GreaserMatt Posted November 11, 2010 Members Share Posted November 11, 2010 But its been a while and its still so shiny! be proud of that {censored}... LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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