Members BandOblivion Posted January 21, 2011 Members Share Posted January 21, 2011 A small question. I own this Gibson Les Paul Deluxe (trussrod cover) ; The previous owner claims it's a 1976. Since it has 8 digits, starting with 00. Buy I pointed him out that I thought it should have mentioned MADE IN THE USA if it really were a 1976. After googlin' a bit, it seemed to me that both options are open... I've also read that during 1975 and 1977 the serials are totally {censored}ed up... Can anyone confirm that this serial does not need an "added" MADE IN THE USA?? (and yes, no original tuners) Thanks ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mslmg Posted January 21, 2011 Members Share Posted January 21, 2011 Call Gibson, give them the serial number and they will tell you if it's legit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BandOblivion Posted January 21, 2011 Author Members Share Posted January 21, 2011 Problem is that I'm from Europe... so I can't go making those long distance calls... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Prages Posted January 21, 2011 Members Share Posted January 21, 2011 Maple neck fits with mid 70s LPs, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Prages Posted January 21, 2011 Members Share Posted January 21, 2011 Problem is that I'm from Europe... so I can't go making those long distance calls... You could email them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BandOblivion Posted January 21, 2011 Author Members Share Posted January 21, 2011 I would probably not be getting any answers at this time a day ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members vcnyls Posted January 21, 2011 Members Share Posted January 21, 2011 What's the serial number? I'll call them for you.Though looking at the number I'm thinking it's a 2005, not a 70's guitar. Edit - Checked with the Gutiar Dater Project and it is a 2005 (I guessed that the number is 00135228 because that's what it looks like from the pic) - http://www.guitardaterproject.org/gibson.aspxYour guitar was made at the Bozeman Plant , MA, USAJanuary 13th, 2005Production Number: 228 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BandOblivion Posted January 21, 2011 Author Members Share Posted January 21, 2011 00135228 What about the "Made in USA" bit ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members vcnyls Posted January 21, 2011 Members Share Posted January 21, 2011 No clue on the Made in teh USA bit... but I'd be suspect. Both my Gibson 335 and Explorer say Made in the USA as do every other newer Gibson I've seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BandOblivion Posted January 21, 2011 Author Members Share Posted January 21, 2011 Thing is that some mid 1970's Gibsons had some weird Serials. 1970 - 1974 (as far as I can find) didn't have Made in USAbut 1975 - 1977 is a gray zone due to the change of factory.1977 onwards = made in the usa (as far as I can find) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wyatt Posted January 21, 2011 Members Share Posted January 21, 2011 Thing is that some mid 1970's Gibsons had some weird Serials. 1 970 - 1974 (as far as I can find) didn't have Made in USA but 1975 - 1977 is a gray zone due to the change of factory. 1977 onwards = made in the usa (as far as I can find) Oh yes they did. "Made in the USA" was added in 1969, along with the volute and larger headstock, every production Gibson has said Made in the USA ever since. The maple neck implies mid '75 to late '70's. The 00 prefix on the serial number usually means 1976, but it should have been a decal, like so... Decals were used from mid-'75 to mid-'77. There may be a legitimate reason why the decal isn't there, and I have no reason to doubt the legitimacy of the guitar, but i doubt it left the factory looking like it does now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wyatt Posted January 21, 2011 Members Share Posted January 21, 2011 What's the serial number? I'll call them for you.Though looking at the number I'm thinking it's a 2005, not a 70's guitar.Edit - Checked with the Gutiar Dater Project and it is a 2005 (I guessed that the number is 00135228 because that's what it looks like from the pic) - http://www.guitardaterproject.org/gibson.aspxYour guitar was made at the Bozeman Plant , MA, USAJanuary 13th, 2005Production Number: 228 No, it wasn't. A 2005 Deluxe wouldn't have a three-piece maple neck. And they only make acoustic guitars at Bozeman. People have to remember that Gibson didn't adapt the current serial number system until late 1977, everything before that is up in the air, and many serial numbers were repeated several times. And many '60's and '70's guitars can't be dated by serial # alone at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BandOblivion Posted January 21, 2011 Author Members Share Posted January 21, 2011 as u can see a Humbucking gold top is not "stock". Thing is : Wood types are exactly the same as they should be looking... the sticker is from a shop which calls himself an authorized gibson repair ... mailed them for more info. is this decal Les Paul - Deluxe superficial or stamped? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wyatt Posted January 21, 2011 Members Share Posted January 21, 2011 as u can see a Humbucking gold top is not "stock". Thing is : Wood types are exactly the same as they should be looking the sticker is from a shop which calls himself an authorized gibson repair ... mailed them for more info. is this decal Les Paul - Deluxe superficial or stamped? It's a waterslide decal, NOT stamped. Not much hardware on that guitar is stock. The knob's are '60's style, and is the rest gold?. I had wondered if the neck had been refinished in the first pic, but perhaps it's just been babied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BandOblivion Posted January 21, 2011 Author Members Share Posted January 21, 2011 I hope the shop recalls it, but I know for sure it's been re-finished because I've found the old add of the previous owner who said it's been refret and refinished (incl. hardware & electronics) in 2001. Do all these guitars have the same wood types? If the neck and headstock been sanded down that could be the reason of the missing stamp of Les Paul Deluxe ? I think it wasn't a stock goldtop... the humbucking routing is disputable, so that's not an issue... just the "off serial" worries me a bit... Edit: as the holes of the tuners are refilled and nicely smooth, this has to be the case, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wyatt Posted January 21, 2011 Members Share Posted January 21, 2011 I hope the shop recalls it, but I know for sure it's been re-finished because I've found the old add of the previous owner who said it's been refret and refinished (incl. hardware & electronics) in 2001.Do all these guitars have the same wood types?If the neck and headstock been sanded down that could be the reason of the missing stamp of Les Paul Deluxe ? I think it wasn't a stock goldtop...the humbucking routing is disputable, so that's not an issue... just the "off serial" worries me a bit...Edit: as the holes of the tuners are refilled and nicely smooth, this has to be the case, no? It is the reason. The serial number was stamped in at the time of the refinish then. The original factory decal would have been destroyed with the old finish was removed, it would have been difficult, if not impossible, to save it. Whomever did the refinish than stamped in the serial in a more traditional Gibson fashion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BandOblivion Posted January 21, 2011 Author Members Share Posted January 21, 2011 aight, makes me happier to know that a PRS CE-24 was not traded for a copy of a Gibson. It plays great, sound like a beast with those Seymour Duncan's in it... but there's still those tiny details which makes me doubt harder and harder. like a Toyota MR 2 can be tuned in to a ferrari copy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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