Members EI Duderino Posted March 9, 2011 Members Share Posted March 9, 2011 ok I have an ESP Explorer, 2000 model, solid mahogany. I took it to a local shop to retrofit a floyd rose trem on it, since I love floyd roses... BAD IDEA. This guy did a horrendous job. Anyway, my question is, would i be able to fill the hole back in that was routed for the floyd, with anything, so I can remount a stop tailpiece again? Any advice would be helpful. Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mrbrown49 Posted March 9, 2011 Members Share Posted March 9, 2011 You could fill it with wood, but if the guy did such a bad job I think he just bought your guitar. Filling a cavity is tricky to do and it'll never look right, even after a refinish. What's so bad about his work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EI Duderino Posted March 9, 2011 Author Members Share Posted March 9, 2011 There's a long story behind that but trust me, I got my payback. Right, I was thinking wood at first too, along with some kind of epoxy for any small unsymmetrical gaps, but I've nevr done anything like it and figured that maybe someone here has done that to their guitar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mrbrown49 Posted March 9, 2011 Members Share Posted March 9, 2011 There's a long story behind that but trust me, I got my payback. Well now you have to tell. pics would help too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EI Duderino Posted March 9, 2011 Author Members Share Posted March 9, 2011 Well now you have to tell. pics would help too. Ha, no man, can't tell. But justice was served, informally. I'm too embarrassed to take pictures of it. I feel dumb enough wanting to get a floyd installed on it in the first place ...oh and I have no camera with me. ps. Awesome profile pic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members chqtarzan Posted March 9, 2011 Members Share Posted March 9, 2011 David Gilmour's black strat was once routed for a kahler trem, but later filled and refinished.You might need a really good tech to do that kind of job. A flawless route cavity fill and refinish would cost quite some money, so a possible better solution is, fill the cavities, reroute for FR over the fills and partial paint the cavity, then install the FR. IMO the recessed FR would cover the damage, can save you $200 of the possible refinish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members WRGKMC Posted March 9, 2011 Members Share Posted March 9, 2011 You really need mahogany to fill mahogany. There will be less issues with expansion and contraction that way. I'd also stay away from wood filler and bondo. They have major shrinkage issues and the area where the two woods meet, will have lines in the finish. I use epoxy myself or epoxy putty. The putty doesnt shring and can be sanded baby ass smooth for refinishing. You will have to refinish of course. That itseld is not an easy job especially if the guitar has a poly finish. If its laquer then its a breeze using paint remover to remove the old finish. Once the things filled in and down to the wood, you prime and then paint it then put a clearcoat on afterwards. Since the guitar will have to be painted to cover the fill job, I siggest you use auto body lacquer. Go to an auto parts store and pick up maybe 3 cans of a color you want. keep in mind the clear coat will darken whatever color you choose. metalics loose most of their glitter too if you choose those. You hang the body and apply light coats. If you try to rush it your going to have drips that suck to fix by sanding and repainting. In fact you may want 4 cans of paint because you may wind up having to redo it a few times. Lastly you apply the lacquer clear coat which will likely take 2~3 cans for a high gloss. It goes on very light as well. The best part about lacquer is its repairable. Additional coats melt into the older coats for one single thick layer which gives it its gloss. Poly and oils on the other hand go on in separate lauers and dry from the outside in and you wind up with layers like tree rings when applying. Patching poly is not transparent like laquer can be. You can visit the Reranch site for details if you're going to do the job yourself. http://reranch.com/ If you want a pro grade refinish, you really need a spray gun and you thin the coats as you go till the last coats are mainly thinner. you cut the mix a litter layer by layer. thats what give store bought guitars that great look. You also have the option of getting an auto body guy to give the body a spraying. those guys do it for a living and can do fantastic work. Its a piece of cake for them and they wouldnt mind a few extra bucks in they're pocket. Even if you spend $100 for them to do it you'll have a pro job done much much better than an inexperienced novice can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mrbrown49 Posted March 9, 2011 Members Share Posted March 9, 2011 Ha, no man, can't tell. But justice was served, informally. I'm too embarrassed to take pictures of it. I feel dumb enough wanting to get a floyd installed on it in the first place ...oh and I have no camera with me.ps. Awesome profile pic There's nothing wrong with floyds, or wanting one, or modding a guitar you like to have one but that's beside the point. A few questions to start the discussion. Are you planning on doing this work yourself?Do you have the necessary tools and experience to cut wood to precise dimensions?Are you up for refinishing the guitar? It will look like hell if you don't. Are you sure you don't want a trem on this guitar? Hard to say without seeing it, but perhaps the existing work can be cleaned up to look and function properly. First things I would do is strip the finish and reroute the existing hole, if necessary, nice and square to make it easier to fill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GilmourD Posted March 9, 2011 Members Share Posted March 9, 2011 Something seems hinky with this story... Might just be me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mrbrown49 Posted March 9, 2011 Members Share Posted March 9, 2011 Something seems hinky with this story... Might just be me. No, it's not just you. I really wonder how he "got his payback" and whether or not we should be helping him. {censored} talker? Arsonist? Murderer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GilmourD Posted March 9, 2011 Members Share Posted March 9, 2011 No, it's not just you. I really wonder how he "got his payback" and whether or not we should be helping him. {censored} talker? Arsonist? Murderer? I wanna see pics or read actual details. Something just doesn't add up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EI Duderino Posted March 9, 2011 Author Members Share Posted March 9, 2011 No, it's not just you. I really wonder how he "got his payback" and whether or not we should be helping him. {censored} talker? Arsonist? Murderer? Nah, none of the above. Thanks for the advice guys. Also, I know that there is nothing wrong with retrofitting a floyd rose on some guitars but I should of left this one in tact, in hindsight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EI Duderino Posted March 9, 2011 Author Members Share Posted March 9, 2011 Thankyou very much for taking the time for all of that, I really appreciate it. I will look into these things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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