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Members Help!I'maRock! Posted January 31, 2012 Members Share Posted January 31, 2012 as long as i can bring some choice pedals, i don't care. neither the player nor the audience will be able to tell the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bsman Posted January 31, 2012 Members Share Posted January 31, 2012 Unless you enjoy bleeding ears, I think it would be OK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fretless Posted January 31, 2012 Members Share Posted January 31, 2012 not at all , off-stage a Marshall with a Palmer PDI , pros do it already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MahaloVision Posted January 31, 2012 Members Share Posted January 31, 2012 Sounds like a typical bass rig anymore. I'm leaning that direction myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sleewell Posted January 31, 2012 Members Share Posted January 31, 2012 my 4x12 is not an amp, so im cool with that. i'm fine with having my amp off stage - prolly would just need a longer speaker cable but that is doable. seriously though, no amps on stage is not very rock and roll but whatever floats your boat. i can see where they are coming from maybe with stage volume, volume wars, etc. but my experience with a modeller through a monitor sounds like garbage. would you still plan use an amp but just have it offstage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kit_strong Posted January 31, 2012 Members Share Posted January 31, 2012 Wouldn't be an issue for me. Most likely if I ever gigged I'd either use my Line 6 HD500 anyway so a wedge monitor is fine for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jpnyc Posted January 31, 2012 Members Share Posted January 31, 2012 Here in NYC no stage amp seems pretty common. It Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Strat87 Posted January 31, 2012 Members Share Posted January 31, 2012 I wouldn't do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cephus Posted January 31, 2012 Members Share Posted January 31, 2012 It would cost me big time. I don't have any of those amp simulator things. I know it would be difficult. I tend to think that would be a really flat sounding band. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Marko Posted January 31, 2012 Author Members Share Posted January 31, 2012 Guys in their 50s, classic rock type stuff. No rooms off stage for an amp, just whatever processing that can be done, and a good wedge. Leader would supply additional processing if it helped. edit: "Quality" wedge, powered. Even a wedge-shaped closed back guitar amp would be doable if they's such a thing, but a wedge, and not in back facing the front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dega500 Posted January 31, 2012 Members Share Posted January 31, 2012 I'd like to give that a try to be honest! Heck, I'd like to take it a step further and have everyone use IEM's. Think about load in and load out with such a system! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Marko Posted January 31, 2012 Author Members Share Posted January 31, 2012 I'd like to give that a try to be honest! Heck, I'd like to take it a step further and have everyone use IEM's. Think about load in and load out with such a system! IEMs are doable for whoever wants one. So far nobody else does. A lead guitarist is the last left to call, not by plan, it just worked out that way as we knew the others to call already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members C-4 Posted January 31, 2012 Members Share Posted January 31, 2012 More input needed... Could I use an amp that went direct to the board without using a speaker cab, such as a Marshall JMD-1, and foot toys to get my sounds, or would I need an Ax-FX type unit? While what you are describing sounds modern, it also sounds restrictive in nature, and could be costly if you do not have the gear already. Need more questions answered before deciding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Marko Posted January 31, 2012 Author Members Share Posted January 31, 2012 Is there such a thing as a quality closed-back wedge-shaped guitar cab? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Marko Posted January 31, 2012 Author Members Share Posted January 31, 2012 More input needed... Could I use an amp that went direct to the board without using a speaker cab, such as a Marshall JMD-1, and foot toys to get my sounds? ... Absolutely... I should have stated no "cab", my bad... I edited my OP, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Belva Posted January 31, 2012 Members Share Posted January 31, 2012 I did a pick up gig recently in a small bar. Guitar to processor to P.A. I was able to get a tone I liked. The band leader even sez he'll provide your choice of processors? This is a no brainer! If you ain't doin dis you be a fool. Don't let the old farts tell you any different. Less gear to move, quicker set up, more room on stage, what's not to like? "Oh ya gotta haz an amp!!" {censored} you ya dinosaur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Special J Posted January 31, 2012 Members Share Posted January 31, 2012 I've never played in a situation like this, but I've mixed a BUNCH of bands that do it this way live. I generally think it's pretty crappy. While the opposite (overly loud, blaring half stacks) is equally or even more {censored}ty sounding, having no amps on stage takes a lot of the live engergy away from the stage show, IMO. Often these bands will also use electronic drums to make for an almost completely silent stage. It makes the mix sound really contrived and as cephus put it above, "flat" sounding. It also can screw with the image depending on where the PA speakers are placed. If you're standing in front of the stage and you can hear drums and vocals coming off the stage, but the guitar sounds are coming from speakers placed far to the left and right it's distracting, and often disconcerting. Also, you're putting a lot of faith in the PA system (and it's operator) to carry all that weight. Instead of reinforcing your sound, it's doing all the work. So, based on my experiences, I wouldn't take the gig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Help!I'maRock! Posted January 31, 2012 Members Share Posted January 31, 2012 classic rock type stuff. not interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members d_dave_c Posted January 31, 2012 Members Share Posted January 31, 2012 Definitely. So are you going with an eleven rack or axe fx? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members steve_man Posted January 31, 2012 Members Share Posted January 31, 2012 Why not? Chances are that 98% of your audience would not be able to tell the difference...lower stage volumes are nice... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members notjonahbutnoah Posted January 31, 2012 Members Share Posted January 31, 2012 If I could plug my pedalboard in (or even sheist the guy into buying me a couple new ones ;)) I'd be ok. However, I do make use of controlled feedback, and I don't know if that would work with such an arrangement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ashtray Posted January 31, 2012 Members Share Posted January 31, 2012 Sounds amazing!!! The problem with amps on stage is everyone is cranking them up. They bleed into FOH and become unmixable. You get into volume wars on stage. Small stage, 4x12 cab pointed at the back of your legs, blasting out the audience... Not a good scene. Less equipment to set up is great too. As for some people who have to hear themselves through a guitar cab, not a PA cab - guess how nearly everyone in the audience is hearing your tone? Through the PA speakers. I love this idea - and the only thing I might change if you can't get your tone through a DI is to buy an isolation box instead. (enclosed speaker box with mic inside, no sound projects out from the box). Theres some AMAZING digital amps out there now that sound just as good as the real thing too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitarman3001 Posted January 31, 2012 Members Share Posted January 31, 2012 After giving it some thought and knowing myself like I do, I'd probably be willing to try it since I'm a gig whore and if it's a chance to make money playing guitar, I'd at least give it a try, but I wouldn't be too happy about it, at least not a first. Personally I like the interaction between me, my guitar, and my amp. And I know that as an audience member I'd find it a little odd to see a band up there with no amps. For me it's as much visual as auditory and I'd feel like I was watching an 80s style track band. I know that technology has its place and its uses but I don't know about a 100% modeled "live" band. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MahaloVision Posted January 31, 2012 Members Share Posted January 31, 2012 I've seen Johnny A a few times, and his setup is basically the amps and pedal board into the PA. Bass player had a Countryman DI and no amp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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