Members patrickgibson Posted February 9, 2012 Members Share Posted February 9, 2012 I was considering changing my strings on my SG, Flying V and Les Paul Studio Double Cut from a .010 to a .009. I like they way .009 feel on my Fender '62 model and my Les Paul Studio Double Cut is a small guitar. I think .009 might give the fretboard a better feel. The question I have is if I do this do, .010 is the standard factory string provided, do I have to make any adjustments to the neck for the intonation? I sure do not have any knowledge on adjusting the neck and would have to seek a professional to do this if needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LesPaulFetish Posted February 9, 2012 Members Share Posted February 9, 2012 9's on a Fender scale length will be more similar in feel to 10's on a Gibson scale. In your shoes, I'd just leave it for you'll probably end up farther from your target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lz4005 Posted February 9, 2012 Members Share Posted February 9, 2012 You will probably have to adjust the bridge for intonation (back and forth, not up and down). You might have to adjust the truss rod for relief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members photon9 Posted February 9, 2012 Members Share Posted February 9, 2012 It will probably be fine with no adjustment unless your neck is dead straight. Might need to be intonated but might not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members patrickgibson Posted February 9, 2012 Author Members Share Posted February 9, 2012 I just want to point my Les Paul Studio Double Cut is the size of a Les Paul Junior. It has 24 frets and is smallest guitar I have in terms of space between the frets. The fear of the neck adjustment might discard this idea. Since I do not want to risk messing my guitar up. I would have to pay a technician. The only thing I know what to do is change strings and tune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Angry Tele Posted February 9, 2012 Members Share Posted February 9, 2012 yeah just change the strings, intonate and play it for a few days. If it is fine just leave it. Worse case loosen the rod maybe 1/8th a turn. before turning the rod mark where it is with a marker, so you can just bring it back to where you started if it doesnt work. that said, 10s on a Gibson should feel similar to 9s on a Fender. The shorter scale on the Gibson will make the strings feel looser. Its about the same as tuning down half a step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SciFiGuy Posted February 9, 2012 Members Share Posted February 9, 2012 I have 9's on most of my guitars including my LP DC. I prefer the feel of the thinner strings. I rarely had to do any adjustments besides minor intonation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JR13 Posted February 9, 2012 Members Share Posted February 9, 2012 you should be fine without adjusting, unless you're OCD about that kinda thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lz4005 Posted February 9, 2012 Members Share Posted February 9, 2012 I just want to point my Les Paul Studio Double Cut is the size of a Les Paul Junior. It has 24 frets and is smallest guitar I have in terms of space between the frets. The SG, V and LP DC are all 24.75" scale: they all have the same distance between the frets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BoneNut Posted February 9, 2012 Members Share Posted February 9, 2012 Considering they are Gibsons as you mentioned in your thread title, I'd suggest you send them to the factory to have the work done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members honeyiscool Posted February 9, 2012 Members Share Posted February 9, 2012 9's on a Fender scale length will be more similar in feel to 10's on a Gibson scale. In your shoes, I'd just leave it for you'll probably end up farther from your target. Actually 9s on a Gibson would have the equivalent of 9.25s on Fender, which don't exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members patrickgibson Posted February 9, 2012 Author Members Share Posted February 9, 2012 The SG, V and LP DC are all 24.75" scale: they all have the same distance between the frets. You are correct about the same distance, but my double-cutaway Les Paul has 24 frets. Pschologically because of the size of this guitar, I always felt the fret distance was smaller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wyatt Posted February 9, 2012 Members Share Posted February 9, 2012 You are correct about the same distance, but my double-cutaway Les Paul has 24 frets. Pschologically because of the size of this guitar, I always felt the fret distance was smaller. A 24-3/4" scale is a-24 3/4" scale. The frets 1 through 22 are spaced exactly the same on your guitar as most Gibsons. The big difference is they have to move the neck PU to make room to add 2 extra frets. As noted, the smaller scale will mean a slacker, looser, "slinkier", choose-your-adjective feel. Lots of people love 9's on a LP. But it'll feel less like a 25.5"-scale Fender. Besides, you are only supposed to press the string down just far enough to touch the top of the fret...push it to the fretboard and you'll bend the note sharp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kayd_mon Posted February 9, 2012 Members Share Posted February 9, 2012 The .09s will likely be easier to play, but it won't feel the same as the Fender. Give it a try - the intonation shouldn't be so far off that you can't play it for a while to see if you like the gauge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kellanium Posted February 9, 2012 Members Share Posted February 9, 2012 Billy Gibbons likes .008s, so it's obviously playable. I say go ahead with a cheapo pack. Worst that can happen is you have to shell out a few more bucks for another pack of strings and take 10 minutes to string the guitar again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members billybilly Posted February 9, 2012 Members Share Posted February 9, 2012 Considering they are Gibsons as you mentioned in your thread title, I'd suggest you send them to the factory to have the work done. What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BoneNut Posted February 9, 2012 Members Share Posted February 9, 2012 What? irony irony[ahy-ruh-nee, ahy-er-] ? Origin i Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Angry Tele Posted February 9, 2012 Members Share Posted February 9, 2012 I think that was sarcasm not irony. or perhaps facetiousness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members photon9 Posted February 9, 2012 Members Share Posted February 9, 2012 Actually 9s on a Gibson would have the equivalent of 9.25s on Fender, which don't exist. Equivalent =/= Similar And a source link would be nice for your claim as well, I would assume something to do with tensions, or did you just do the math in your head? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Angry Tele Posted February 9, 2012 Members Share Posted February 9, 2012 I was gonna ask that if 9.25s dont exist how would one know what they feel like...anywho on my Jagaur which is a 24" scale, 11s felt about the same as 10s on a Tele (25.5") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members honeyiscool Posted February 9, 2012 Members Share Posted February 9, 2012 Yes, I more or less did the math in my head. The math is pretty simple. http://www.daddario.com/Resources/JDCDAD/images/tension_chart.pdf Near the top of the document we have: Tension = Unit Weight * 2 (Scale Length * Frequency)^2 / 386.4 Unit Weight is more or less proportional to the area of the cross section, which is proportional to the square of the diameter (i.e. string gauge!). So looking at this, to maintain the same tension and frequency, scale length and string gauge must be inversely proportional. So basically, you can think of it like 9 * 25.5 = x * 24.75, where x is the mystery gauge of the Gibson scale guitar that would have the same string tension as a Fender. So we get x = 9 * 25.5 / 24.75 = 9.27. What's dumb is that we have string gauges that are separated by 0.001" of an inch, as if that was ever an important figure in anything. Jumps of 0.001" and even 0.0005" are extremely large jumps in string tension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members photon9 Posted February 9, 2012 Members Share Posted February 9, 2012 Yes, I more or less did the math in my head. The math is pretty simple.http://www.daddario.com/Resources/JDCDAD/images/tension_chart.pdfNear the top of the document we have: Tension = Unit Weight * 2 (Scale Length * Frequency)^2 / 386.4Unit Weight is more or less proportional to the area of the cross section, which is proportional to the square of the diameter (i.e. string gauge!). So looking at this, to maintain the same tension and frequency, scale length and string gauge must be inversely proportional.So basically, you can think of it like 9 * 25.5 = x * 24.75, where x is the mystery gauge of the Gibson scale guitar that would have the same string tension as a Fender. So we get x = 9 * 25.5 / 24.75 = 9.27.What's dumb is that we have string gauges that are separated by 0.001" of an inch, as if that was ever an important figure in anything. Jumps of 0.001" and even 0.0005" are extremely large jumps in string tension. That's cool, but your math is wrong. You can't ignore the square. Keeping the square in, as you should, your result will look like: 9(25.5)^2/(24.75)^2 = 9(650.25)/(612.5625) = 9.55 Get some 9.5s and you will be super close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bubbluz Posted February 9, 2012 Members Share Posted February 9, 2012 ho lee fuk overthink things much ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members honeyiscool Posted February 9, 2012 Members Share Posted February 9, 2012 ho lee fukoverthink things much ? What do you think music is? At its most fundamental level, it's all math, dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members photon9 Posted February 9, 2012 Members Share Posted February 9, 2012 No, the unit weight is proportional to the SQUARE of the diameter. Hence you can square root the whole thing before you start.Trust me, I'm a mathlete! You're right. I was thinking about it over lunch. I love math too. It's one of the only subjects where you can definitively say one answer is correct and the rest are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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