Members elsupermanny14 Posted May 14, 2012 Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 So how much do you care if an amp has a middle control? Is a middle control important? I think about amps like the Fender Bassman, the Deluxe Reverb, the Vox AC15 and AC30. Those are some great amps with only treble and bass controls so it left me thinking if the middle control is important or not. What do you guys think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jtr654 Posted May 14, 2012 Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 ON those amp the mids are set to a fixed spot . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 9-Pin-Phoenix Posted May 14, 2012 Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 ON those amp the mids are set to a fixed spot . Yep. I have owned both a Bassman and a DRRI. I never missed the mid control. Just reduce the treble and bass, and the mid is more prominent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tlbonehead Posted May 14, 2012 Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 Yep. I have owned both a Bassman and a DRRI. I never missed the mid control. Just reduce the treble and bass, and the mid is more prominent.yep, addition by subtraction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Angry Tele Posted May 14, 2012 Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 yeah i dont care...I keep mids around 6 or 7 on my twin right where it would be fixed anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members poolshark Posted May 14, 2012 Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 Never bothered me much. Then again, I generally throw the EQ on 10 and subtract until it sounds good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wyatt Posted May 14, 2012 Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 Mid controls are weird compromises. The Treble and Bass controls have fixed cutoff spots that you are cutting off the signal above (Treble) or below (Bass). The Middle control cuts *everything* inbetween. It has such a blanket effect that it is less apparent, you have less range than the Bass or Treble controls. So, as the others have noted, you can enhance or bury the mids better by setting the Treble and Bass controls relative to what you want to achieve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members honeyiscool Posted May 14, 2012 Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 Yeah, I might even get better results without that mids knob. Their function is so hard to determine anyway, since we don't know what frequency and Q value that knob has, not that you'd want a full parametric EQ on your amp but I don't feel one way or another for that mids knob because any amp I'd trust, I can also trust that the engineers have it EQ'd to sound good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jpnyc Posted May 14, 2012 Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 I would never buy another high-gain amp with no mid control. But for cleans I can live without it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Flatspotter Posted May 14, 2012 Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 If I can get the sound I want without a mid control, then obviously it's not needed. I think it becomes more important if you have one amp and a lot of guitars. You might be able to get the sound you want on some guitars without the mid control, but not others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Skyforger Posted May 14, 2012 Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 I would never buy another high-gain amp with no mid control. But for cleans I can live without it. +1 With high-gain (and depending on your personal tastes), it's useful to be able to scoop out the mids. But for cleans, eh. My mids generally don't move unless I'm seriously tweaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sandy Cheeks Posted May 14, 2012 Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 12 band graphic EQ and 3 separate bands of parametric EQ. Tweak away! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members elsupermanny14 Posted May 14, 2012 Author Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 12 band graphic EQ and 3 separate bands of parametric EQ. Tweak away! Haha, my worst fear! Four hours of tinkering for a few minutes of playing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Skyforger Posted May 14, 2012 Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 I suppose you could use a pedal to scoop your mids. I don't see why not. Though to answer your original question, I suppose I don't think a mids dial is really a selling point to me. If it's got one, great. If not, I'll live without it. And thinking about it, my amp's EQ generally stays as is. I do most of my EQ tweaking on the multi-effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members elsupermanny14 Posted May 14, 2012 Author Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 I suppose you could use a pedal to scoop your mids. I don't see why not. Though to answer your original question, I suppose I don't think a mids dial is really a selling point to me. If it's got one, great. If not, I'll live without it. And thinking about it, my amp's EQ generally stays as is. I do most of my EQ tweaking on the multi-effects. I think most people may not care. I have a Blackheart BH5 head with treble, mid, bass and I also have a Blackstar HT1R head that only has a tone control. I can honestly get more out of the Blackstar with tone only than I can out of the Blackheart. I think if it was a Duel Rectifier or a DSL I would want a mid, but for vintage type amps it would not be an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members xrleroyx Posted May 14, 2012 Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 I have an amp with no mid control. I don't like tweaking. At all. It sounds good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members stormin1155 Posted May 14, 2012 Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 The presence or absence of a middle tone would have very little to do with my selection of an amp. If you are really concerned with tweaking your sound, a graphic equalizer is the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Spudro Posted May 14, 2012 Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 My main squeeze: Goodsell Super 17 MkII, tone to die for. Gain, Tone, Vol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bloolight Posted May 14, 2012 Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 I certainly don't miss it on my DRRI. Then again, I just put the High and Low right down the middle when I play. My other amp is a Champion 600 which doesn't have any tone knobs at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members honeyiscool Posted May 14, 2012 Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 I suppose you could use a pedal to scoop your mids. I don't see why not. Though to answer your original question, I suppose I don't think a mids dial is really a selling point to me. If it's got one, great. If not, I'll live without it. And thinking about it, my amp's EQ generally stays as is. I do most of my EQ tweaking on the multi-effects. I don't understand the point of scooping mids for high gain when you can just use single coils instead and get an aggressive sound that actually sounds good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ExiledCrow Posted May 14, 2012 Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 It's nice to have options I guess, but if an amp sounds good you won't have to do endless tweaking, if it doesn't a mid control isn't going to save it ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Steadfastly Posted May 14, 2012 Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 I have one with no control; just an on/off switch. It's connected to my Digitech RP-255 so no, it doesn't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Belva Posted May 14, 2012 Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 It's nice to have options I guess, but if an amp sounds good you won't have to do endless tweaking, if it doesn't a mid control isn't going to save it ... This times a bazillion. Some amps, good old 5F1 comes to mind, don't even need a tone control Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Pine Apple Slim Posted May 14, 2012 Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 Its better to have those haunting mids built right in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Skyforger Posted May 14, 2012 Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 I don't understand the point of scooping mids for high gain when you can just use single coils instead and get an aggressive sound that actually sounds good. I suppose it's a case of horses for courses. Like somebody already said, it's nice to have options. I don't own any single coils that are able to produce the sounds I want with high gain, except maybe the Washburn when coiltapped. Perhaps it is time to rethink some of my pickups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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