Members DarkHorseJ27 Posted October 26, 2012 Members Share Posted October 26, 2012 Seven of the body styles are no longer available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GAS Man Posted October 27, 2012 Members Share Posted October 27, 2012 That's too bad. Shake downs on the basis of potential patent infringement are becoming more common with an aim by the plaintiff of desist and cash settlements being reached without every having to take it to an uber-pricey court trial. It's tough on the smaller companies that don't have the treasure chest to wage the battles in court. Other times, of course, it's quite legit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mdintx Posted October 27, 2012 Members Share Posted October 27, 2012 Which ones are missing? They all looke like they are there to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Steadfastly Posted October 27, 2012 Members Share Posted October 27, 2012 If this is true, I don't wonder that Gibson is after Warmoth. They make a custom guitar for half of what a lot of standard Gibsons sell for and you end up with a truly superb guitar, built the way you want it, not how some engineering and marketing departments have decided you want it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Deadbeat Son Posted October 27, 2012 Members Share Posted October 27, 2012 Originally Posted by mdintx Which ones are missing? They all looke like they are there to me. Did you click on them? If so, you get the following message: Originally Posted by Warmoth In response to Gibson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kulardenu Posted October 27, 2012 Members Share Posted October 27, 2012 Gibson is an Evil Empire! They are on my Jihad list along with Wal-Mart... No longer a customer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mdintx Posted October 27, 2012 Members Share Posted October 27, 2012 Originally Posted by Deadbeat Son Did you click on them? If so, you get the following message: Ok, so it only shows up on certain pages. I was able to you the body builder to develop an order for a LP style. I think they need to go through the website a little more carefully. So weird for Gibson to do this after all this time... Doesn't make any sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mdintx Posted October 27, 2012 Members Share Posted October 27, 2012 Originally Posted by Deadbeat Son Did you click on them? If so, you get the following message: Ok, so it only shows up on certain pages. I was able to you the body builder to develop an order for a LP style. I think they need to go through the website a little more carefully. So weird for Gibson to do this after all this time... Doesn't make any sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Deadbeat Son Posted October 27, 2012 Members Share Posted October 27, 2012 Originally Posted by Steadfastly If this is true, I don't wonder that Gibson is after Warmoth. They make a custom guitar for half of what a lot of standard Gibsons sell for and you end up with a truly superb guitar, built the way you want it, not how some engineering and marketing departments have decided you want it. Except you can't get a set-neck guitar. Or a 24.75 inch scale. So I can't get a Les Paul the way I want it from Warmoth, go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DarkHorseJ27 Posted October 27, 2012 Author Members Share Posted October 27, 2012 Originally Posted by Deadbeat Son Except you can't get a set-neck guitar. Or a 24.75 inch scale. So I can't get a Les Paul the way I want it from Warmoth, go figure. Uncorrect on both counts. They have necks available with the Gibson scale, and you can order bodies and necks without mounting holes drilled. The assembly is your responsibility, so if you don't have the ability or the tools to do a set neck then it's on you, not Warmoth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members *BLEEP* Posted October 27, 2012 Members Share Posted October 27, 2012 Originally Posted by DarkHorseJ27 Originally Posted by Deadbeat Son Except you can't get a set-neck guitar. Or a 24.75 inch scale. So I can't get a Les Paul the way I want it from Warmoth, go figure. Uncorrect on both counts. They have necks available with the Gibson scale, and you can order bodies and necks without mounting holes drilled. The assembly is your responsibility, so if you don't have the ability or the tools to do a set neck then it's on you, not Warmoth. except...Except the necks and bodies in question are still a bolt-on necks and bodies without holes, not set-in necks with a tenon and a body that can accept a neck with a tenon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fretless Posted October 27, 2012 Members Share Posted October 27, 2012 still seems like you can get the LP headstock and there are several available in the showcase my LP Warmoth build though if you want to build a Gibby style geetar , check into http://precisionguitarkits.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jpnyc Posted October 27, 2012 Members Share Posted October 27, 2012 I always wondered how Warmoth was getting away with selling the Gibson designs for so long. I guess Henry finally took notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bluesnapper Posted October 27, 2012 Members Share Posted October 27, 2012 Fender are quite happy to let other companies manufacture their designs under license - if Gibson don't want to do this then it's their call. Hell, they won't even make Epis with the 'correct' headstock shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Deadbeat Son Posted October 27, 2012 Members Share Posted October 27, 2012 Originally Posted by DarkHorseJ27 Uncorrect on both counts. They have necks available with the Gibson scale, and you can order bodies and necks without mounting holes drilled. The assembly is your responsibility, so if you don't have the ability or the tools to do a set neck then it's on you, not Warmoth. Wow, so much misinformation, where to begin? Originally Posted by Reality Check except...Except the necks and bodies in question are still a bolt-on necks and bodies without holes, not set-in necks with a tenon and a body that can accept a neck with a tenon. This is a good start. A bolt-on body and neck without holes does not equal a set neck instrument. A hallmark of set-neck construction is the mortise/tenon joint, which Warmoth parts are not built for. First, you would need to glue a tenon onto the heel of the neck. This would be rather unpractical. After that, you would have to route the mortise into the body. Warmoth parts are simply bolt-on parts, there's no way around it.Next is the scale issue. Warmoth does NOT build 24.75" scale parts. They build bodies solely designed for a 25.5" scale. They offer two different varieties of necks, a 25.5" neck, or a 24.75" conversion neck. What's the difference between a 25.5" scale body and a conversion neck and a pure 24.75" instrument? I'm glad you asked. The main difference is pickup placement. The pickups in the Warmoth build will not be in the equivalent location to those in a traditional 24.75" scale guitar. While the difference may be subtle, the tone is assuredly not equal.So, what does this all mean? It means my original statement is accurate. You, sir, are uncorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DarkHorseJ27 Posted October 27, 2012 Author Members Share Posted October 27, 2012 Originally Posted by Deadbeat Son Wow, so much misinformation, where to begin?This is a good start. A bolt-on body and neck without holes does not equal a set neck instrument. A hallmark of set-neck construction is the mortise/tenon joint, which Warmoth parts are not built for. First, you would need to glue a tenon onto the heel of the neck. This would be rather unpractical. After that, you would have to route the mortise into the body. Warmoth parts are simply bolt-on parts, there's no way around it.Next is the scale issue. Warmoth does NOT build 24.75" scale parts. They build bodies solely designed for a 25.5" scale. They offer two different varieties of necks, a 25.5" neck, or a 24.75" conversion neck. What's the difference between a 25.5" scale body and a conversion neck and a pure 24.75" instrument? I'm glad you asked. The main difference is pickup placement. The pickups in the Warmoth build will not be in the equivalent location to those in a traditional 24.75" scale guitar. While the difference may be subtle, the tone is assuredly not equal.So, what does this all mean? It means my original statement is accurate. You, sir, are uncorrect. You simply said 24.75" scale. With the conversion neck you end up with a 24.75" scale. So sorry for listening to what you said instead of what you meant. I will admit I was wrong on being do a set neck with Warmoth parts. Posting after a night a drinking is not always the brightest idea. However, you can get a bolt-on that sounds like a set neck tonally. The tonal differences between the two has to do with the differences in energy transference. With a tight enough fit with a bolt-on neck the tonal differences are moot. If you like the set neck for the feel and playing comfort high up on the neck, that is a different story. Warmoth does offer contoured heels on the body, but still not quite the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Deadbeat Son Posted October 28, 2012 Members Share Posted October 28, 2012 Originally Posted by DarkHorseJ27 You simply said 24.75" scale. With the conversion neck you end up with a 24.75" scale. So sorry for listening to what you said instead of what you meant. I will admit I was wrong on being do a set neck with Warmoth parts. Posting after a night a drinking is not always the brightest idea. However, you can get a bolt-on that sounds like a set neck tonally. The tonal differences between the two has to do with the differences in energy transference. With a tight enough fit with a bolt-on neck the tonal differences are moot. If you like the set neck for the feel and playing comfort high up on the neck, that is a different story. Warmoth does offer contoured heels on the body, but still not quite the same. To me, the Warmoth body with conversion neck just isn't a 24.75" scale guitar, it's a bastardized scale at best. Enough of the sidetracking though. Steadfastly is just always so quick to bash Gibson at any chance he can find with biased and non-factual information, and that's what I was arguing. You simply can't build an LP with Warmoth parts the same way a Gibson, Epiphone, or knock-off LPs are made.I agree it does suck that you can no longer build a Warmoth LP. I was planning to build a 25.5" scale bolt-on single-cut LPS with Telecaster pickups and bridge next spring using Warmoth parts. Now that's no longer possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Steadfastly Posted October 28, 2012 Members Share Posted October 28, 2012 Originally Posted by Deadbeat Son Except you can't get a set-neck guitar. Or a 24.75 inch scale. So I can't get a Les Paul the way I want it from Warmoth, go figure. I, like 50% of guitar players think the bolt on neck is superior to the set in neck. And you can get a 24.75" scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Flatspotter Posted October 28, 2012 Members Share Posted October 28, 2012 Eat it, Gibson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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