wood hoop kits

[snapple]

does anyone know the advantages and disadvantages of wood hoops kits? any first hand experience. like spaun and ayotte carry.

thanks

[Mofishes]

I personally dislike wood hoops. I'm a rimshot player so it takes time to adjust to increased height between the top of the rim and the head. Also, I don't like the sound produced by a wood-hoop rimshot. I don't think that durability is an issue however. IMO, like all fads, this too shall pass. I've got a few friends who have bought wood-hoop Ayottes within the past five years and today you would find after-market flanged rims on their kits. Another thing to consider: if you own a shallow or picollo snare drum with diecast rimss and it sounds choked, replace those rims with flanged rims. It really opens up the sound. Later.

[burque]

 

Originally posted by Mofishes I personally dislike wood hoops. I'm a rimshot player so it takes time to adjust to increased height between the top of the rim and the head. Also, I don't like the sound produced by a wood-hoop rimshot. I don't think that durability is an issue however. IMO, like all fads, this too shall pass. I've got a few friends who have bought wood-hoop Ayottes within the past five years and today you would find after-market flanged rims on their kits. Another thing to consider: if you own a shallow or picollo snare drum with diecast rimss and it sounds choked, replace those rims with flanged rims. It really opens up the sound. Later.

 

 

 

Wood hoops are a fad? Didn't they start out using wood hoops and move on to metal hoops later? I think Ayottes look and sound great; Bearing Edge has some really spectacular wood hoop designs.....if you can stand tube lugs.

[Dave Schenck]

During the civil war they obviously had wood hoops. Also during WW2 almost everything on a drum was wood because metal was too important to the war effort. There is a company here,in Portland Oregon called "Allegra", they make some fabulous wood hooped drums that are very punchy. Of course there would be a short adjustment period for wood hoops, but this goes for anything new or different. If I were to get a wood hoop kit,I would opt for shallower than normal toms. The reason being that the standard and/or the power size toms look odd to me with wood hoops because they make them look overly long IMO.

[pattrahan]

Hi Snapple, I own an Ayotte and would say this:

 

Wood hoops have a tendency to vibrate at the same frequency as the shell because it's made of the same material instead of vibrating at a much higher end of the spectrum like metal does. This helps the drum to give a fuller and warmer sound and the attack is somewhat darker cause the rims resonate in unison with the shell (that's side to side to the same kit with triple flanged or die cast hoops).

 

When miked up, frankly, you shouldn't hear much difference though the kit with wood rims sounds more "EQed" than the other because the highs are somewhat less audible. Woodhoops require a little getting used to because of the higher rim edge when you play rimshots but believe me, it comes fast and I still play my other kit with standard triple flanged rims and it doesn't bother me.

 

Esthetically, wood hoops also have a different and rarer look. The nice finish work some companies do on their hoops will act as a plus for the visual aspect. Of course, you have to pay for this difference but hey! not every body owns a kit like yours. It's like cars, when you want different, you have to pay for that exclusiveness. (Can I say that?)

 

After 4 years, my toms woodhoops show absolutely no dents. I wouldn't trust them on the snare drum though because of continuous rimshot abuse. And personnaly, I prefer a more cutting snare sound for the snare than a wood shell with wood rims that sounds much darker.

 

That's about it. Wood rims are different, sound different are not worst or better than casted or flanged rims. They all have their own purpose.

 

Excuse my asking, but english not beeing my daily communication tool, I would like to know what "FAD" means.

 

Thanks

Patt

[burque]

 

Originally posted by pattrahan Hi Snapple, I own an Ayotte and would say this: Wood hoops have a tendency to vibrate at the same frequency as the shell because it's made of the same material instead of vibrating at a much higher end of the spectrum like metal does. This helps the drum to give a fuller and warmer sound and the attack is somewhat darker cause the rims resonate in unison with the shell (that's side to side to the same kit with triple flanged or die cast hoops). When miked up, frankly, you shouldn't hear much difference though the kit with wood rims sounds more "EQed" than the other because the highs are somewhat less audible. Woodhoops require a little getting used to because of the higher rim edge when you play rimshots but believe me, it comes fast and I still play my other kit with standard triple flanged rims and it doesn't bother me. Esthetically, wood hoops also have a different and rarer look. The nice finish work some companies do on their hoops will act as a plus for the visual aspect. Of course, you have to pay for this difference but hey! not every body owns a kit like yours. It's like cars, when you want different, you have to pay for that exclusiveness. (Can I say that?) After 4 years, my toms woodhoops show absolutely no dents. I wouldn't trust them on the snare drum though because of continuous rimshot abuse. And personnaly, I prefer a more cutting snare sound for the snare than a wood shell with wood rims that sounds much darker. That's about it. Wood rims are different, sound different are not worst or better than casted or flanged rims. They all have their own purpose. Excuse my asking, but english not beeing my daily communication tool, I would like to know what "FAD" means. Thanks Patt

 

 

Fad means a social trend that everyone starts doing but later dies out, such as a certain hairstyle or style of clothes.

[BombRusty]

Originally posted by pattrahan Hi Snapple, I own an Ayotte and would say this: Wood hoops have a tendency to vibrate at the same frequency as the shell because it's made of the same material instead of vibrating at a much higher end of the spectrum like metal does. This helps the drum to give a fuller and warmer sound and the attack is somewhat darker cause the rims resonate in unison with the shell (that's side to side to the same kit with triple flanged or die cast hoops). When miked up, frankly, you shouldn't hear much difference though the kit with wood rims sounds more "EQed" than the other because the highs are somewhat less audible. Woodhoops require a little getting used to because of the higher rim edge when you play rimshots but believe me, it comes fast and I still play my other kit with standard triple flanged rims and it doesn't bother me. Esthetically, wood hoops also have a different and rarer look. The nice finish work some companies do on their hoops will act as a plus for the visual aspect. Of course, you have to pay for this difference but hey! not every body owns a kit like yours. It's like cars, when you want different, you have to pay for that exclusiveness. (Can I say that?) After 4 years, my toms woodhoops show absolutely no dents. I wouldn't trust them on the snare drum though because of continuous rimshot abuse. And personnaly, I prefer a more cutting snare sound for the snare than a wood shell with wood rims that sounds much darker. That's about it. Wood rims are different, sound different are not worst or better than casted or flanged rims. They all have their own purpose. Excuse my asking, but english not beeing my daily communication tool, I would like to know what "FAD" means. Thanks Patt Originally posted by burque Fad means a social trend that everyone starts doing but later dies out, such as a certain hairstyle or style of clothes.

 

it's really annoying when you quote the entire long message when you're just replying to one part, especially if it's the next consecutive post in the thread.

 

kids

[Mofishes]

Originally posted by BombRusty it's really annoying when you quote the entire long message when you're just replying to one part, especially if it's the next consecutive post in the thread. kids

 

Get over it.

 

Under-sexed grumpy old men

[pattrahan]

Thanks for the "FAD" explanation.

 

My way of seeing this is that everything is a fad if you're not buying for your own reason.

 

If you're only looking at the visual aspect of wood hoops, they certainly may be a fad cause before Ayotte became worldly known, I can't see any company who offered them and now, a lot of companies seem to at least give the option of having them for about the same price as die cast (... but then die cast rims may also be a fad cause they weren't a tom rim's option 7 years ago). If you're really considering woodhoops for their tonal properties and darker harmonics, then "FAD" just becomes "another rim option" thankfully offered them as an alternative.

 

Another thing that could prove them to be fad would be to have higher prices during the "trend period"and lower prices when nobody buys. From what I know, prices never got down nor are very overpriced. So they might not be fad after all but we'll probably see in a few months or years.. Who knows.

 

That's just my 0.02$, everything comes and goes so I guess everything is a fad...

 

Thanks

Patt