Members skunky_funk Posted December 8, 2002 Members Share Posted December 8, 2002 Check out my logic statement if it is true: IF you are an excellent drummer, THEN you should know how to spin sticks. Conversely, is it also true that: IF you know how to spin sticks, THEN you are an excellent drummer. Example: Virgil Donati is an excellent drummer. Therefore he can spin sticks. (In fact he spins both sticks while paradiddling on double bass and crashing the cymbals. ) Mike Portnoy is an excellent drummer. Therefore he can spin sticks [too]. But I wonder about Weckl, Beauford and those other guys. I know Tommy Lee spins sticks well, but is he qualified to be called "excellent"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bigjohn Posted December 8, 2002 Members Share Posted December 8, 2002 Although stick-twirling is a nice touch of showmanshipand it doesn't hurt to have it in your bag of tricks. I think one can be an excellent drummer withoutbeing able to twirl sticks, because I can't hearstick-twirling on recordings, and I use my earsas the sole judge on excellent drumming. Having said that, a trick that impresses me morethan twirling is coming down with a snare hit andletting the stick fly up about 20 feet in the air spinning and then being able to catch it w/o missinga beat, I've only seen two guys do that, a drummerwith Blue Oyster Cult and Martin Chambers fromThe Pretenders. BTW, I can twirl a bit but I rarely ever do at a gig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members portnoyfan15 Posted December 8, 2002 Members Share Posted December 8, 2002 Originally posted by Bigjohn Having said that, a trick that impresses me morethan twirling is coming down with a snare hit andletting the stick fly up about 20 feet in the air spinning and then being able to catch it w/o missinga beat, I've only seen two guys do that, a drummerwith Blue Oyster Cult and Martin Chambers fromThe Pretenders.BTW, I can twirl a bit but I rarely ever do at a gig and Morgan Rose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bigjohn Posted December 8, 2002 Members Share Posted December 8, 2002 Originally posted by portnoyfan15 and Morgan Rose. Hmm...doesn't ring a bell,Who does he play with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dark Slide Posted December 8, 2002 Members Share Posted December 8, 2002 Originally posted by Bigjohn Having said that, a trick that impresses me more than twirling is coming down with a snare hit and letting the stick fly up about 20 feet in the air spinning and then being able to catch it w/o missing a beat, I've only seen two guys do that, a drummer with Blue Oyster Cult and Martin Chambers from The Pretenders. Heh, I did that on accident while practicing one day, cept it was off a tom, I caught it behind me and to the right and didn't miss a beat. No one saw it but me and one of the guitarists and he almost pissed himself he was laughing so hard. ------------------------------- Which Elite Bassplaying Ninja Cyborg would YOU be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members portnoyfan15 Posted December 8, 2002 Members Share Posted December 8, 2002 Morgan Rose plays with the band Sevendust. At concerts he will look someone straight in the eye and bounce a stick 20 feet in the air off his snare and catch it all while still keep eye contact with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bigjohn Posted December 8, 2002 Members Share Posted December 8, 2002 Originally posted by portnoyfan15 Morgan Rose plays with the band Sevendust. At concerts he will look someone straight in the eye and bounce a stick 20 feet in the air off his snare and catch it all while still keep eye contact with you. Sevendust, ok I've heard of them...but I've never really listened to them before, I'll have to check them out. I need to set up my set outside and try working on the stick bounce thing, kinda tough with a low ceiling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Living Dead Drummer Posted December 8, 2002 Members Share Posted December 8, 2002 But I wonder about Weckl, Beauford and those other guys. I know Tommy Lee spins sticks well, but is he qualified to be called "excellent"? to me Tommy Lee is Excellent! He is my personal fav. drummer and God! But as for knowing how to spin sticks making you excellent? no, I know a few drummers who are not that good, or at least now "excellent" and can spin mean stick, I guess they just practice spinning more that playing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tramp78 Posted December 8, 2002 Members Share Posted December 8, 2002 The ability to spin a stick doesn't impress me at all. You are playing an instrument, all that matters is how it sounds. To prove this, let's imagine you have a band and you need a great drummer. You audition two guys. One can play like he was born behind a kit. Fast slow any style, the guy is Pert and Portnoy combined. But he can't twirl sticks to save his life and has no interest in doing so. The next one comes in and can play standing on his head while jugling sticks and catching them blindfolded. He can juggle 4 sticks at once. Problem is, he can't keep time and his fills are always the same. Which one to you pick. Remember, the future of you band depends on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ted S Posted December 8, 2002 Members Share Posted December 8, 2002 I'm a cool guy man and when I twirl my sticks man it makes me look cooler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Chabo Posted December 9, 2002 Members Share Posted December 9, 2002 Depends on what band I was putting together. For a band that was really serious about its music, I would most likely go for the first guy, the one with skill. But if I was making a band that was just trying to have fun, then a guy who wanted to play good music just wouldnt fit in with the band. As for myself, I only spin sticks when I'm sitting around doing nothing. I haven't done it yet while playing. I'm not that good at spinning yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jaged05 Posted December 9, 2002 Members Share Posted December 9, 2002 Stick twirling is sweet, however, it is not a requirment for an excellent drummer. And Mike Portnoy is not "excellent", he's just fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members STIXXS Posted December 9, 2002 Members Share Posted December 9, 2002 Some not so excellent do...but I thought that was an 80's thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Fafnir777 Posted December 9, 2002 Members Share Posted December 9, 2002 Stick twirling is not just for showmanship! It's a good exercise for your fingers, it helps build your hands. Alot of drummers who Spin sticks, learned to do so in marching band. I haven';t seen him do it, but I'll promise you that Travis Barker can twirl the hell out of a stick. I'm not a blink182 fan, but Barker is a really good drummer, I just had to "get past" their idiot singer to be able to realize it.(I just can't stand that guy's singing.) Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members stapes2260 Posted December 9, 2002 Members Share Posted December 9, 2002 tommy lee isn't an excellent drummer? are you out of your {censored}ing mind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Element Posted December 10, 2002 Members Share Posted December 10, 2002 Originally posted by Tramp78 The ability to spin a stick doesn't impress me at all. You are playing an instrument, all that matters is how it sounds. To prove this, let's imagine you have a band and you need a great drummer. You audition two guys. One can play like he was born behind a kit. Fast slow any style, the guy is Pert and Portnoy combined. But he can't twirl sticks to save his life and has no interest in doing so. The next one comes in and can play standing on his head while jugling sticks and catching them blindfolded. He can juggle 4 sticks at once. Problem is, he can't keep time and his fills are always the same. Which one to you pick. Remember, the future of you band depends on this. Aww, that sucked the fun out of this thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitar420 Posted December 10, 2002 Members Share Posted December 10, 2002 how do you twirl sticks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tramp78 Posted December 10, 2002 Members Share Posted December 10, 2002 Originally posted by Element Aww, that sucked the fun out of this thread... Sorry about that! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Chabo Posted December 10, 2002 Members Share Posted December 10, 2002 Originally posted by guitar420 how do you twirl sticks? Hours and hours of practice. As for the exact method, depends on the person; everyone does it slightly differently. But, it does take hours of practice to do it right, no matter what method you use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Living Dead Drummer Posted December 10, 2002 Members Share Posted December 10, 2002 Originally posted by stapes2260 tommy lee isn't an excellent drummer? are you out of your {censored}ing mind? *claps* Well said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JOBand Posted December 10, 2002 Members Share Posted December 10, 2002 A little showmanship is good ,just so the music isn`t compromised in the process. Stick twirls are a normal part of my playing. I hardly even think about it when I do it anymore since it`s become quite a habit. Of course, I`m an old fart and fisrt started twirling my sticks 30 years ago when I saw Sonny and Cher`s drummer do it. (yes, I`m old!) The way I see it, the guitar players get to move around on stage while we`re playing, but I`m stuck in one spot. I try to put as much energy into my playing as I can while still sitting down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members stapes2260 Posted December 10, 2002 Members Share Posted December 10, 2002 lets face it, twirling definately adds to the experience of watching a drummer perform. If you think stick twirling is stupid, then you're probably one of the people that's too stubborn and lazy to learn to do it, so you take the easy route and just knock people for doing it instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members skunky_funk Posted December 11, 2002 Author Members Share Posted December 11, 2002 I think there is a bit of confusion among some regarding my logic statement. I said, Excellent drummers can twirl sticks. But that does not mean, Drummers that can twirl sticks are excellent drummers. Fact is, I know someone who can twirl almost any elongated, rod-like object giving you the impression he can play drums, when in fact, he hasn't played a drum kit since birth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rumblebelly Posted December 11, 2002 Members Share Posted December 11, 2002 Originally posted by stapes2260 tommy lee isn't an excellent drummer? are you out of your {censored}ing mind? No, I don't think he is out of his mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Barteam Posted December 12, 2002 Members Share Posted December 12, 2002 I think tommy lee is one of the best ROCK drummers they are. Now let me repeat that again Rock...... As for playing with buddy rich and all the progessive rock like Dream theatre etc........ hes definatly not as technical. But hey the same applies for guitar playing. I personally would rather listen to lets say Slash or Zakk Wylde play the guitar.. But everyone knows EVH or Steve are much better technicians... It all comes to what kind of music you listen to. Tommy does, or should i see did use to beat the hell out of them though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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