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full triplet rhythm pattern on the ride cymbal?


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A drummer friend tells me that "nobody EVER plays a full triplet rhythm pattern on the ride cymbal" (xxx xxx xxx xxx) when playing tunes such as Blueberry Hill.

 

He says one would break up the pattern, but I beg to differ as I have listened to many older recordings and often the drummer appears to be playing a full triplet rhythm pattern on either the ride or partialy open hi hat.

 

Who is correct?

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Can I please confirm (from anyone) that the above means that you can and do play in 12/8, and play all the notes in a triplet figure, on the ride and/or HH, for an entire chorus, or verse or an entire song?

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Note I am not inquiring if triplets are played per se (that needs no review) but as to a specific figure, on a specific instrument, in a specific style of tune, for a specific length.

 

specifics specifics......

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Yes...everyone is saying that if that song is played in 12/8 or even 4/4, you could play all the triplets if you wanted. So you'd have 12 beats per measure on either the ride or HH. OR you could swing it, (standard jazz beat), but I think the song you are suggesting needs all triplets played to keep the drive going. Depends on the feel you want.

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Your drummer friend is entitled to his opinion, but you've got a number of people here who seem to disagree with him - including me. Blueberry Hill would almost seem wrong without 8th note triplets (assuming 4/4) on the ride - without breaking up the pattern.

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I play full triplet patterns during 12/8 blues songs all the time. (12/8 playing all the 8ths, or 4/4 playing all the triplets...same thing). The only reason I've ever played that beat is because I've heard other people playing it on blues recordings for as long as I can remember. Your friend is wrong, IMHO. Unless he's referring to a specific song where it isn't played that way, he's making a gross generalization and is flat out wrong.

 

RCA: Anybody who played through the '80s new wave craze or the disco era previous to that played plenty of 'four on the floor' kick drum patterns. You're not alone. There's no shame in it (unless somebody has a photo of you with some kind of Icicle Works-inspired haircut...then you're on your own ;)).

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Originally posted by gcdrummer

Listen to the HH pattern in Blondie's "call me", that's a triplet pattern. Basically three notes per beat.

 

A tad off-topic, but I was checking out your website-in-progress. Noticed this little comment:

 

HarmonyCentral.com: Don't visit their board! Drumheads' is better.

 

 

Is that what you really think of us here?

 

:eek:

 

Just having fun with that one - don't take me too seriously. But I did think it odd. And yet - I'll be checking out your links anyway.

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Originally posted by ulank

What's a triplet?!
:confused:

 

Here's an easy way to figure it out:

 

Typical rock beat: eight hits on the hi-hat, snare hits on the 3rd and 7th hits.

 

Triplet beat: 12 hits on the hi-hat, snare hits on the 4th and 10th hits. If you keep the snare backbeat going at the same pace, but just speed up the hats accordingly, then you're playing 12/8 time, or 4/4 with a triplet feel.

 

 

Another example:

You count 4/4 (regular) time like this "1, and, 2, and, 3, and 4, and"

 

You count the same four beats with triplets like this "1, trip, let, 2, trip, let, 3, trip, let, 4, trip let"

 

 

So basically instead of a "two" feel, it's got a "three" feel.

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Originally posted by ArtVandelay



A tad off-topic, but I was checking out your website-in-progress. Noticed this little comment:


HarmonyCentral.com: Don't visit their board! Drumheads' is better.



Is that what you really think of us here?


:eek:

Just having fun with that one - don't take me too seriously. But I did think it odd. And yet - I'll be checking out your links anyway.

 

Ha ha...that's funny. No, I like this board a lot. I'm just involved with Drumheads.org on a personal level, and the other guy who's helping me with my site is also part of their core development team. We both cruise this board a lot. Nothing personal, just playing. Also, if I say one is better, both will get new hits, right?

Thanks for checking out my site...I really apprecaite it.

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Originally posted by ulank



Of all the people here, I didn't think Steve would fall for it.
:o:D

But thanks anyway Steve!
:);)

 

Doh! Alright you got me, ya bastards!

 

GCDrummer's explanation must have been what threw me....he bit, and I ran with it.

 

Don't worry, I'll get my revenge. As soon as Rumblebelly sends me the deed for the bridge I bought and I start making money off of it, we'll see who gets the last laugh! :p

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Originally posted by Old Steve



Doh! Alright you got me, ya bastards!


GCDrummer's explanation must have been what threw me....he bit, and I ran with it.


Don't worry, I'll get my revenge. As soon as Rumblebelly sends me the deed for the bridge I bought and I start making money off of it, we'll see who gets the last laugh!
:p

 

:):D

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Originally posted by alby

As to four on the floor "Old Time Rock & Roll" by Bob Seger is as good an example as any. The only problem I have with four on the floor is that when the kick and snare hit together on the two and the four, it can be overpowering for the PA, or the recorded mix, depending of course on the relative volume of the kick and snare, and the amount of low frequency content of the kick and snare, the amount of dynamics processing on the kick and snare, and on

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