Members societystease Posted February 17, 2003 Members Share Posted February 17, 2003 I have tried and tied and tried to find a china anywhere that I like. I have tried all sorts of brands, sizes, striking techniques, etc. and I absolutely always hate the sound of chinas. I even hate them when recorded on records. I have owned several chinas and borrowed even more and have sold my last one a vowed that I will never buy or strike another china as long as I am a drummer. I know, it may sound harsh, but I just can't stand that sound. Anyone else not like chinas? Do you just not use one? Post it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members elimin8r Posted February 17, 2003 Members Share Posted February 17, 2003 no way china's are awesome.. i love the trashy ones especially Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gretschzildjian Posted February 17, 2003 Members Share Posted February 17, 2003 I agree that to find a china that sounds REALLY good is very hard. I also like the more trashy ones. Wuhan makes some great stuff in that department. You tried those? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bigjohn Posted February 17, 2003 Members Share Posted February 17, 2003 I like chinas, I don't have one right nowbut I'll probably get one eventually What I hate is when a drummer overusesthe china....gets on my nerves:mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Martiko Posted February 17, 2003 Members Share Posted February 17, 2003 Lol, that's very funny you say you really hate the sound of china's ... because I read they were made in China a long time ago to chase away enemies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members societystease Posted February 17, 2003 Author Members Share Posted February 17, 2003 That's funny Martiko! Just to let you all know I have spent countless hours at local drum shops trying wuhan, sabian, zildjian, etc trying to find the one. I can personally guarantee that I haven't liked any of the chinas that I have tried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Living Dead Drummer Posted February 17, 2003 Members Share Posted February 17, 2003 I like china's, somtimes they are nessesary for a song, HOWEVER they are so over used by hardcore groups and such thay sometimes I get irritated with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members seizeman Posted February 17, 2003 Members Share Posted February 17, 2003 Originally posted by societystease I have tried and tied and tried to find a china anywhere that I like. I have tried all sorts of brands, sizes, striking techniques, etc. and I absolutely always hate the sound of chinas. I even hate them when recorded on records. I have owned several chinas and borrowed even more and have sold my last one a vowed that I will never buy or strike another china as long as I am a drummer. I know, it may sound harsh, but I just can't stand that sound. Anyone else not like chinas? Do you just not use one? Post it here. Well, I'm with you! I don't really hate them, but I actually don't like them... I dunno, but I think they sound kinda gay, but that's just me..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Medsy Posted February 17, 2003 Members Share Posted February 17, 2003 I know that this type of china is in the low end market.... but i just got a paiste 502 18" china and a gotta say...i quite like it....its really trashy....!!! Fits nice with my current setup... Compared it to the zildjian zbt plus it it killed it hands down..... Now my dilema....im in a position to take it back and possibly buy a proper zildjian china.... not sure what one.... oriental 18" i think...... Havent heard it yet.... ( why not get it in the first place...???? long story....!!! ) Anyone tell me whether its worth it in terms of durability and sound to get the zildjian....?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ollie Posted February 17, 2003 Members Share Posted February 17, 2003 Originally posted by seizeman Well, I'm with you! I don't really hate them, but I actually don't like them... I dunno, but I think they sound kinda gay, but that's just me..... watch your mouth, man. you're going to offend someone besides me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Old Steve Posted February 17, 2003 Members Share Posted February 17, 2003 I was just watching the Rolling Stones HBO concert, and for those of you who never knew, Charlie Watts uses a China (UFIP) as his primary crash cymbal. He has it mounted bell up, so you really don't notice it from a distance. Live, you'd think it was just a typical crash unless you got a good look at it. I actually like Chinas. One thing I've noticed, however, is that they sound drastically different alone compared to how they sound when played with amplified guitars, etc. Just like you should listen to your drums from a distance, mixed with guitars to see how they "really" sound, I think it's important to do the same with cymbals, ESPICIALLY chinas. Overall, they tend to sound less ringy, and somewhat subdued from 50' away with a guitarist playing at 11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Chabo Posted February 18, 2003 Members Share Posted February 18, 2003 I agree with Steve. Most chinas sound like crap by themselves, but sound great with stuff. It is an effects cymbal, after all, and is supposed to be used to accent stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sir Enrico Buttcock Posted February 18, 2003 Members Share Posted February 18, 2003 Chinas are way over used by most metal drummers. I think it's a good cymbal for sepcial effects like a splash or a bell but too much is just plain irritating. Imo a good china doesn't sound too clangy and has plenty of wash. I'm thinking of buying a 16" or a 18" Zildjian Oriental China Trash one day...too bad they don't make 17" models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JSimms Posted February 19, 2003 Members Share Posted February 19, 2003 I go back and forth on the china cymbal issue. I do like the sound, and think that they can be just the over-the-top sort of thing that the climax of a song may need, but I can't justify the expense of buying a cybmal that I may hit 2 or 3 times in a 1 hour set. Maybe I'm just cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Chabo Posted February 22, 2003 Members Share Posted February 22, 2003 JSimms- one solution to that: get a really cheap china. Chinas aren't supposed to sound really nice and clean; they're designed to have a trashy sound. And buy used. If you shop around for a used ZBT Plus china, you could get a really good deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lil Drummer Boy Posted February 24, 2003 Members Share Posted February 24, 2003 Originally posted by masonni ...HOWEVER they are so over used by hardcore groups and such thay sometimes I get irritated with them. Like Lars Ulrich. I kind of fell sorry for the damn things. I also think the same about listening to your gear with the rest of the bands. My dumbass friend muffles his bass with like 2 blankets and a pillow right at the inpact point. You can barely hear the damn thing. I think too many people over-muffle their gear and when they play live, you cant hear it over all the music, but what they dont know is that all those overtones are inaudible when played with the rest of a band. Yet, I've never played live with mic's:eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Chabo Posted February 25, 2003 Members Share Posted February 25, 2003 This is exactly why I didn't like the way my snare sounded until I saw (heard) the videotape of us playing. No overtones were heard. Then I heard my snare being played by another drummer for another band, and I liked it even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members trephine Posted February 25, 2003 Members Share Posted February 25, 2003 i hate rides, well all the rides i have played Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JSimms Posted February 25, 2003 Members Share Posted February 25, 2003 Originally posted by Chabo JSimms- one solution to that: get a really cheap china. Chinas aren't supposed to sound really nice and clean; they're designed to have a trashy sound. And buy used. If you shop around for a used ZBT Plus china, you could get a really good deal. I didn't say they were supposed to sound clean. Also to me, any expense is too much if I only play the thing once or twice in a gig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members techristian Posted February 26, 2003 Members Share Posted February 26, 2003 If you have ever heard Billy Cobham, he uses China "swish" cymbals quite a bit and that is what turned me on to that sound. I have a Zildian which I bought brand new 20 years ago for $300 .I removed the rivets though. I use it often. Dan http://teachmedrums.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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