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Anyone Else Hate Chinas?


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I have tried and tied and tried to find a china anywhere that I like. I have tried all sorts of brands, sizes, striking techniques, etc. and I absolutely always hate the sound of chinas. I even hate them when recorded on records. I have owned several chinas and borrowed even more and have sold my last one a vowed that I will never buy or strike another china as long as I am a drummer. I know, it may sound harsh, but I just can't stand that sound. Anyone else not like chinas? Do you just not use one? Post it here.

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Originally posted by societystease

I have tried and tied and tried to find a china anywhere that I like. I have tried all sorts of brands, sizes, striking techniques, etc. and I absolutely always hate the sound of chinas. I even hate them when recorded on records. I have owned several chinas and borrowed even more and have sold my last one a vowed that I will never buy or strike another china as long as I am a drummer. I know, it may sound harsh, but I just can't stand that sound. Anyone else not like chinas? Do you just not use one? Post it here.

 

Well, I'm with you! I don't really hate them, but I actually don't like them... I dunno, but I think they sound kinda gay, but that's just me.....

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I know that this type of china is in the low end market.... but i just got a paiste 502 18" china and a gotta say...i quite like it....its really trashy....!!! Fits nice with my current setup...

 

Compared it to the zildjian zbt plus it it killed it hands down.....

 

Now my dilema....im in a position to take it back and possibly buy a proper zildjian china.... not sure what one.... oriental 18" i think...... Havent heard it yet.... ( why not get it in the first place...???? long story....!!! )

 

Anyone tell me whether its worth it in terms of durability and sound to get the zildjian....??

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Originally posted by seizeman


Well, I'm with you! I don't really hate them, but I actually don't like them... I dunno, but I think they sound kinda gay, but that's just me.....

 

 

watch your mouth, man. you're going to offend someone besides me.

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I was just watching the Rolling Stones HBO concert, and for those of you who never knew, Charlie Watts uses a China (UFIP) as his primary crash cymbal. He has it mounted bell up, so you really don't notice it from a distance. Live, you'd think it was just a typical crash unless you got a good look at it.

 

I actually like Chinas. One thing I've noticed, however, is that they sound drastically different alone compared to how they sound when played with amplified guitars, etc. Just like you should listen to your drums from a distance, mixed with guitars to see how they "really" sound, I think it's important to do the same with cymbals, ESPICIALLY chinas. Overall, they tend to sound less ringy, and somewhat subdued from 50' away with a guitarist playing at 11.

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Chinas are way over used by most metal drummers. I think it's a good cymbal for sepcial effects like a splash or a bell but too much is just plain irritating. Imo a good china doesn't sound too clangy and has plenty of wash. I'm thinking of buying a 16" or a 18" Zildjian Oriental China Trash one day...too bad they don't make 17" models.:(

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I go back and forth on the china cymbal issue. I do like the sound, and think that they can be just the over-the-top sort of thing that the climax of a song may need, but I can't justify the expense of buying a cybmal that I may hit 2 or 3 times in a 1 hour set. Maybe I'm just cheap.

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JSimms- one solution to that: get a really cheap china. Chinas aren't supposed to sound really nice and clean; they're designed to have a trashy sound. And buy used. If you shop around for a used ZBT Plus china, you could get a really good deal.

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Originally posted by masonni

...HOWEVER they are so over used by hardcore groups and such thay sometimes I get irritated with them.

 

 

Like Lars Ulrich. I kind of fell sorry for the damn things.

 

I also think the same about listening to your gear with the rest of the bands. My dumbass friend muffles his bass with like 2 blankets and a pillow right at the inpact point. You can barely hear the damn thing. I think too many people over-muffle their gear and when they play live, you cant hear it over all the music, but what they dont know is that all those overtones are inaudible when played with the rest of a band.

 

Yet, I've never played live with mic's:eek:

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This is exactly why I didn't like the way my snare sounded until I saw (heard) the videotape of us playing. No overtones were heard. Then I heard my snare being played by another drummer for another band, and I liked it even more. :)

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Originally posted by Chabo

JSimms- one solution to that: get a really cheap china. Chinas aren't
supposed
to sound really nice and clean; they're designed to have a trashy sound. And buy used. If you shop around for a used ZBT Plus china, you could get a really good deal.

 

 

I didn't say they were supposed to sound clean. Also to me, any expense is too much if I only play the thing once or twice in a gig.

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