Members Rockdrumr1 Posted July 18, 2003 Members Posted July 18, 2003 Originally posted by rumblebelly Well, the Foo Fighters are liked and respected by a lot of musicians. Just because you, a musician, disaggree doesn't mean they aren't deserving of their status. You are right, taste is irrelevant. However, you seem like an unlikely person to say such a thing with that vendetta you got going on. You obviously go out of the way to bash the guy and shove your opinion down everyone's throat.I'm sure there are plenty of Backstreet Boys fans out there that would think Rockdrumr1's music sucks. The Backstreet Boys...what makes a "world class musician"? Is it perfect delivery? Songwriting? The ability to move someone with music? Or just the ability to entertain with music? What doesn't make the Backstreet Boys world class musicians? Some would argue. They are respected by people who play the same type of music...I bet if you asked Mike Portnoy or Scott Rockenfield what they thought about them, they would laugh in your face...they ARE respected musicians, much more so than anyone one if FF could ever dream of being. the Backstreet Boys comment was meant to show you how stupid it sounds when someone says "then tell me why so many people like them" That is the worst response anyone could have when someone says they dislike a person. I don't go out of my way to bash anyone, I merely made a comment...you go out of your way to respond and start an argument over it though and try to convince me of your point...which I have yet to figure out exactly what that is..
Members Rockdrumr1 Posted July 18, 2003 Members Posted July 18, 2003 Originally posted by stapes2260 I think the thing with dave grohl is that now that he's back in the limelight again, everyone who's a fan of his defends his discography to the death. He's done some good drumming on his recent works. But you have to remember that Nevermind came out in like 1992 or so, and between then and now is a long time for a drummer to improve his playing. His drumming to date is MUCH better than it was with nirvana, especially early on. I think that during the whole grunge thing, dave abruzzesse (sp?) and matt cameron where putting pumping out better drum parts for pearl jam and soundgarden than grohl for nirvana. Agreed....grohl wishes he was in the same league as Matt and Dave. Like I said before, people act like this guy is the second coming of Christ, and he just isn't. Sorry...he gets way too much credit for really nothing. Sure like the guy, but don't defend him like he is your blood brother or something...So many other drummers deserve recognition and praise and they don't get {censored}...
Members rumblebelly Posted July 18, 2003 Members Posted July 18, 2003 Originally posted by Rockdrumr1 I don't go out of my way to bash anyone, I merely made a comment... Could have fooled me. Everytime someone posts something about Dave Grohl, you come out with guns a blastin'. Some of you guys are gonna have to get over the fact that an average drummer can make it big. Lars Ulrich, that guy from Creed, Grohl...sometimes I sense a tinge of jelousy here. Could it be that all those hours spent learning polyrythms, weird time signatures, and hours with Stick Control might have been a waste of time? When all you have to do is find the right guys at the right place? Of course I'm being silly but do you see my point? Many new drummers latch on to guys like Grohl because his work is simple and easy to learn. Probably goes the same with guitar too. I'm guilty of that because I haven't been playing drums long. I just get tired of all the bashing that goes around here. I always thought drummers were the coolest, most supportive guys in the band. I had a show last night and I got tons of compliments, mostly from other drummers. I played well, I was solid. Probably my best performance. To a greenie like me it means a lot. That's all I have to say about this.
Members Rockdrumr1 Posted July 18, 2003 Members Posted July 18, 2003 The key word in your last post is "average"...and that may even be a stretch....thats all the guy is, period. Average is not deserving of praise and admiration...it may very well be that people like that fact that he plays simple stuff that they can play also...I personally like more flare in drummers...no use discussing this anymore...wanna check out my band? go to www.perpetualrocks.com we got mp3's pics and all kinds of stuff..
Members rumblebelly Posted July 18, 2003 Members Posted July 18, 2003 Oh well, I like a lot of his songs. Personally, I think he's definitely an above average songwriter. I checked out a couple of your songs (Comin After You and Cold Sweat). You guys are all excellent musicians. Terrific drumming. Not my style though. Takes me back about 18 years, a time I'd rather forget.
Members Rockdrumr1 Posted July 18, 2003 Members Posted July 18, 2003 thanks! That is our old singer on those tunes (I think)...the new guy blows him away..why would you rather forget that time?
Members rumblebelly Posted July 18, 2003 Members Posted July 18, 2003 I never got into the whole 80's power rock/metal thing a whole lot. Plus, I think I had a real bad haircut back then. It's ironic cause that style is coming back with a vengeance. Especially glam rock.
Members stapes2260 Posted July 19, 2003 Members Posted July 19, 2003 hey rockdrumr i like your band's cd, it's pretty damn good. That long live rock and roll cover is nasty. Just out of curiousity, what are the sizes of your drums? They look pretty big in those pictures.
Members tenner Posted July 19, 2003 Members Posted July 19, 2003 aww what happend to the fight you had going? don't let it die! I vote rumblebelly the winner!
Members Thexder Posted July 19, 2003 Members Posted July 19, 2003 Originally posted by schecter_elite Also, since you are just starting off, learn, or try to learn, really tuff drum parts, even if its way above your level. Day one try double bass, odd time, as you practice it gets easier. That was my philosophy, except I tried double bass on day 3..not 1... I went and bought the Iron Cobra 2 days after the Rockstar kit. So far I'm about 3 weeks into beginner level and I'm already becoming a hardware junkie, cymbals on ebay, trying to figure out what clamps and rods to attach where for the extra stuff, going to get a cowbell. For me it's not valid to just have one simple setup and master timing and practise on that before I earn a better kit, I need to have it all and that then motivates me to use it and enjoy it and grow into it.
Members rumblebelly Posted July 21, 2003 Members Posted July 21, 2003 Originally posted by tenner aww what happend to the fight you had going? don't let it die! I vote rumblebelly the winner! Okay, Rockdrmr1...yer a big {censored} cause you don't like Dave Grohl;) I won, really? I thought I lost some serious points when the whole Backstreet Boys thing came up. I'm actually a big fan... I got tired of fighting about it. Since we obviously both have different tastes in music, the argument became pointless.
Members vanlatte Posted July 21, 2003 Members Posted July 21, 2003 Originally posted by Rockdrumr1 They are respected by people who play the same type of music...I bet if you asked Mike Portnoy or Scott Rockenfield what they thought about them, they would laugh in your face...they ARE respected musicians, much more so than anyone one if FF could ever dream of being. I would be amazed to see a reaction like that from the people you mention. Most of the highly regarded musicians such as these are usually very civil towards other musicians. I have never seen someone of that caliber bash someone else like that. (well, maybe Tommy Aldrich) The only bashing I see comes from wanna-be/has-beens/never was's posting on forums like this Respect is not always warrented on ability alone. I happen to have a lot of respect for certain musicians that may not be Scott Rokenfield part II. "Dave Grohl? F#@k Dave Grohl..he wouldn't know a drum if it landed on him either"--Rockdrumr1 Why the hostility? So you don't like the guys music, so what. Did he kill your cat or something?
Members JSimms Posted July 21, 2003 Members Posted July 21, 2003 Originally posted by vanlatte I would be amazed to see a reaction like that from the people you mention. Most of the highly regarded musicians such as these are usually very civil towards other musicians. I have never seen someone of that caliber bash someone else like that. (well, maybe Tommy Aldrich) The only bashing I see comes from wanna-be/has-beens/never was's posting on forums like this Respect is not always warrented on ability alone. I happen to have a lot of respect for certain musicians that may not be Scott Rokenfield part II. "Dave Grohl? F#@k Dave Grohl..he wouldn't know a drum if it landed on him either"--Rockdrumr1 Why the hostility? So you don't like the guys music, so what. Did he kill your cat or something? Excellent post.
Members Rockdrumr1 Posted July 21, 2003 Members Posted July 21, 2003 Originally posted by stapes2260 hey rockdrumr i like your band's cd, it's pretty damn good. That long live rock and roll cover is nasty. Just out of curiousity, what are the sizes of your drums? They look pretty big in those pictures. Thanks! Ronnie James Dio actually gave us permission to do LLR&R and put it on our cd...which I thought was pretty cool! The sizes on my kit are 16x24 11x13 16x16 16x18 and snare is 5.5x14. You should hear the stuff with the new singer...it should be out before the end of the year...
Members Rockdrumr1 Posted July 21, 2003 Members Posted July 21, 2003 Originally posted by vanlatte I would be amazed to see a reaction like that from the people you mention. Most of the highly regarded musicians such as these are usually very civil towards other musicians. I have never seen someone of that caliber bash someone else like that. (well, maybe Tommy Aldrich) The only bashing I see comes from wanna-be/has-beens/never was's posting on forums like this Respect is not always warrented on ability alone. I happen to have a lot of respect for certain musicians that may not be Scott Rokenfield part II. "Dave Grohl? F#@k Dave Grohl..he wouldn't know a drum if it landed on him either"--Rockdrumr1 Why the hostility? So you don't like the guys music, so what. Did he kill your cat or something? I wouldn't....by the way its spelled Aldridge...ability should be a major part of respecting someone's playing...you wouldn't respect someone that totally sucked would you? Then again, from the sounds of your post, you probably would. I am neither a wanna be or nor a has been....that sig is meant as a joke, why are you so worried about it? does it bother you? do you worship the guy?
Members rumblebelly Posted July 21, 2003 Members Posted July 21, 2003 I think there's a big differenc between totally sucking and being a competent drummer.
Members Rockdrumr1 Posted July 21, 2003 Members Posted July 21, 2003 there is...but does someone who is merely competent deserve to be put on a pedastall..I don't think they do...
Members rumblebelly Posted July 21, 2003 Members Posted July 21, 2003 Well, if you are talking about Grohl I'd say he's a competent guitarist. His drumming on QOSTA is actually pretty interesting in certain songs. More than just competent, he's got an interesting style even. Apparently, he's a more than competent songwriter since I like his songs and many people I know who are musicians like his songs. Plus you have the fact that these songs that are liked by musicians just happen to be hits makes it even more conclusive that he's above average. Actually, it's all quite subjective. Some believe he belongs on a pedestal and apparently some believe he belongs in the toilet. It's a silly argument really. Kinda like arguing who makes the best fast food tacos...duh, Taco Johns!!!!
Members guitar420 Posted July 21, 2003 Members Posted July 21, 2003 Originally posted by Rockdrumr1 there is...but does someone who is merely competent deserve to be put on a pedastall..I don't think they do... i dont think he made it as far as he did by just being competent. just give some respect.
Members rumblebelly Posted July 22, 2003 Members Posted July 22, 2003 Originally posted by guitar420 i dont think he made it as far as he did by just being competent. just give some respect. Yeah, that's what I was trying to say. Thanks.
Members pjb Posted July 22, 2003 Members Posted July 22, 2003 Dave Grohl writes good songs, is a good drummer and guitarist.I'd rather listen to foos than r'n'b or rap. I also like some cheesy 80's metal as well, like judas priest, ozzy etc. The best thing about this thread is rockdrumr's singer's gay shiny plastic jumpsuit! good to see he doesn't take himself too seriously! looks like a step back in time to 1984! farkin' m/ METAL m/ DEEEEEEEWWWWD!
Members vanlatte Posted July 22, 2003 Members Posted July 22, 2003 Originally posted by ribac Hi! I just want to hear your opinion. I'm keyboard player (but not proff.) and I was thinking about to learn electric guitar or drums.I like more drums. What I'm afraid is maybe I'm already old to learn another instrument?(I'm 28).I know I won't be good as players which starts at age of 10 or something like that. I always liked synth. music like depeche Mode or Prodigy,but as time goes and I'm older I'm starting to like rock.And of course want to play it. Can you just tell me your opinion If drums are hard to learn (maybe less hard than guitar??)and of course If it's good idea to start so late??I know somebody can tell me that you can learn and play for yourself but I want more,maybe play in the band someday. Thanks a lot and sorry for my English In a feeble attempt to get back on topic... I too will echo the seniment that is's never too late to start. A second instrument is usually a lot easier to pick up than the first, and with the musical experience you already have under your belt you should be off to a good start. Just take your time, try to get lessons if you can even if only a few to get you pointed in the right direction. And I can not stress this enough: Never stop listening to the music you want to learn; the ability to hear what is going on and adapt to what the music calls for at any given time is priceless. Imagine how a lot of straight ahead, driving rock would have sounded if it were infected with some ego maniacal drummer that, just beceause they had the ability to play complicated poly-rythms and wild fills took every oppurtunity to do so. It just ends up sounding dumb and busy I have seen this far to often firsthand, playing with different people that just can't wait to show off their "Chops" and before you know it, it turns into a pissing match and musical integrity goes out the window. Bah, just learn to play for the music and you will be golden, don't let anyone convince you that someone you like or aspire to become like "sucks" or "is not as good as so it's not worth learning."
Members Rockdrumr1 Posted July 22, 2003 Members Posted July 22, 2003 Originally posted by pjb Dave Grohl writes good songs, is a good drummer and guitarist.I'd rather listen to foos than r'n'b or rap. I also like some cheesy 80's metal as well, like judas priest, ozzy etc.The best thing about this thread is rockdrumr's singer's gay shiny plastic jumpsuit! good to see he doesn't take himself too seriously! looks like a step back in time to 1984! farkin' m/ METAL m/ DEEEEEEEWWWWD! Ozzy and Priest are cheesy 80's metal? You must be 16 years old dude, they have been around since the 70's, but you probably weren't born then....I dont remember anyone in the 80's wearing shiny plastic clothes...I do remember spandex and leather....
Members stapes2260 Posted July 22, 2003 Members Posted July 22, 2003 Obviously pjb has no godamn idea what he is talking about. Just because something comes from the 80s doesn't mean it's cheesy. Bands like Ozzy and Motley Crue were emulated by silly pop bands who tried to copy their image and drag it into the mainstream. These are bands like Warrant, etc. If you think the modern drummers today are not influenced by Tommy lee and Ozzy's crew of awesome drummers (tommy aldridge, carmine appice, mike bordin, randy castillo, lee kerslake and more) you are the dumbest drummer on the planet.
Members Rockdrumr1 Posted July 22, 2003 Members Posted July 22, 2003 Originally posted by stapes2260 Obviously pjb has no godamn idea what he is talking about. Just because something comes from the 80s doesn't mean it's cheesy. Bands like Ozzy and Motley Crue were emulated by silly pop bands who tried to copy their image and drag it into the mainstream. These are bands like Warrant, etc. If you think the modern drummers today are not influenced by Tommy lee and Ozzy's crew of awesome drummers (tommy aldridge, carmine appice, mike bordin, randy castillo, lee kerslake and more) you are the dumbest drummer on the planet. Finally!!! Someone who understands logic! This post is so true..those drummers paved the way for the Grohl's of today..even though the "old" drummers have them outclassed. Some of best musicians came from the 80's...period. Great post stapes!
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