Members The Pro Posted January 27, 2008 Members Share Posted January 27, 2008 I don't know if DJ's make good musicians, but musicians can make good DJ's. Interesting the number of keyboard players here that also DJ (including me). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John Busbee Posted February 16, 2008 Members Share Posted February 16, 2008 in no way, shape, or form...and while we're broaching the subject, "rappers" , "beatboxers", and anything remotely similar are not either. Thanks for asking, I know my opinion really matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cooldany Posted March 3, 2008 Members Share Posted March 3, 2008 DJ are never a real musician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pes_laul Posted March 3, 2008 Members Share Posted March 3, 2008 I think their like musicians cuz alot of the stuff they have to know a lot of stuff about faders mixer Effects Etc. and that takes a lot of talent to do. -kris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Khazul Posted March 3, 2008 Members Share Posted March 3, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John Busbee Posted March 4, 2008 Members Share Posted March 4, 2008 DJ's are awesome unplugged!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John Busbee Posted March 4, 2008 Members Share Posted March 4, 2008 and turntables make great beer holders (me get'n busy, wit one hand up to my ur hold'n teh earphone on one ear, because I gots ta feel duh crizowd)...Dj's...what a bunch of assholes. DJ this and DJ that....sounds like a bunch of S&M types...Mistress blah blah blah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pes_laul Posted March 4, 2008 Members Share Posted March 4, 2008 DJ's are awesome unplugged!!! LMAO!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John Busbee Posted March 4, 2008 Members Share Posted March 4, 2008 LMAO!!! thank you, thank you, I'm here all night... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Professor Tom Posted March 5, 2008 Members Share Posted March 5, 2008 Musicians are people who make music, DJ's are people who make money from other people's music. Therefore, DJ's are not musicians. I have lost track of the gigs I have lost because a DJ would do it cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John Busbee Posted March 6, 2008 Members Share Posted March 6, 2008 Musicians are people who make music, DJ's are people who make money from other people's music. Therefore, DJ's are not musicians. I have lost track of the gigs I have lost because a DJ would do it cheaper. That happened a great deal here as well...first gigging musicians that made a living by playing lost to douche jockeys that would play records of musicians playing music (novel concept, somehow I don't see how it caught on), then the karaoke came in and merged with the douche jockeys (another novel idea, people imitating musicians while listening to recordings of musicians playing instruments...again, I'm stymied as to how this caught on) and now there are "Guitar Hero" nights where people watch other people imitating musician that are being imitated by another musicians....{censored}....and these douche bags pull the scale down ( paying gigs average $85 to $100 a night now), have nothing invested except some {censored}ty Musicians Friend turntable and light bar with some super {censored}ty throw away cabinet's and amps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Manipulate Posted March 14, 2008 Members Share Posted March 14, 2008 What I love about you guitar guys that come in here is that you're so bitter. You're so pissed that you can be replaced by a CD player or other machine that you don't even realize that its your music that sucks. If you were any good, people would come to see you. But no, you're talentless hacks who's egos won't allow you to accept that you just have no talent. You've wasted away your pathetic lives thinking you're going to make it in the biz and now you're bitter and want to blame everything but yourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cheeky_m0nkeys Posted March 17, 2008 Members Share Posted March 17, 2008 You guys are funny! A musician is one who plays a musical instrument; presumably with some degree of proficiency if he/she dares to state publicly "I am a musician." If a DJ were a musician, that would pretty much mean anyone who played a recording or turned on the radio would be too... no, a DJ is not a musician. A good DJ might be considered an artist, or a producer, or even a composer. None of these designations are in any way indicative of lesser talent than a "musician", they are simply different things. A lame DJ might just be considered a Disc Jockey... just another job or hobby. I am presuming all DJ's here are GOOD DJ's! Happy New Year all! I would take this idea an expand on it a bit. I wouldnt consider a Dj a musician if they simply sampled another song or beat, and left it that way, or if they simply strung together one song with another. However, listen to anything by guys like Invisibl Skratch Piklz, Shadow or Jazzy Jeff and these guys are legitmately using the turntable as actual musical instruments, inventing new ways to create sounds and notes, sync them together and the like and produce real songs and instrumentals. I think Grandwizard Theodore started attaching wah pedals and playing with sounds like that before anyone else too, and was trying to find different "attachments" to alter sound. By all means I would consider these guys nothing less than musicians. Id say it ultimately depends on what the dj in questions puts out to their listeners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tom_s252 Posted March 17, 2008 Members Share Posted March 17, 2008 DJs may be musicians, but so are Slipknot and neither have produced anything I'd care to listen to. I'll stick to human beings hitting/plucking/bowing things together in a room; on balance it tends to produce music I like. On a side note, DJs seem to be missing out on perhaps the most rewarding thing about playing an instrument: playing with other people. What do DJs do round the campfire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members setAI Posted March 17, 2008 Members Share Posted March 17, 2008 look at all the producer envy- it has been a long time since a DJ was merely someone who mixed records- but typically they produce most of the tracks threy play now [so they actually created most of the music from scratch] and only use minimal loops to build a mix- playing an instruments is a noble craft- but a producer has a much larger role as not only a DJ and player- but a sound designer/ composer/ engineer/ remixer/ distributer/ graphic designer- and so forth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Outkaster Posted March 17, 2008 Members Share Posted March 17, 2008 I think people shouldn't rise to the bait. Every once in a while, a carrot crunching farmer boy who's in a blues bar band will appear in here and start making trouble. I say 'carrot crunching', because they're usually a bit 'rural' by nature and for some reason have a hatred of most things electronic as they are not really familiar with it. Hence, most cannot distuinguish between a DJ, a producer or an electronic artist. When you are all 3 of these things (Or more), it confuses/frightens them even more. Usually, these guys are guitarists, and as you might well know, every guitarist (No matter how {censored} they are) thinks that they're the second greatest guitarist, ever. I say second because they usually have some strange and childish obsession/fixation with some other famouser, richer and more gifted guitarist (Hendrix, Clapton, etc). They often never, ever grow out of thinking they're the second best guitarist in the world. DJ's are certainly very valid entertainers and shouldn't be put down because they don't have big hair and are not spanking a plank. Making less of someone's art because you don't really understand it is downright {censored}ty, narrowminded and just demonstrates that you're probably a simpleton living out in the sticks and haven't really participated in or been able to experience many different things due to your narrowminded view of the world. It's funny how many of the toothless good 'ole boys who come in here and bash DJs are the ones who were spouting the inane redneck bull{censored} in the Open Jam forum. Shut the {censored} up, go and enjoy your geetaws, cheap beer and chewing tobacco and leave the DJs alone until you can understand what they do, why it's difficult, why it's an artform and why people enjoy their work so much. No get over it. This discussion is years old. DJ's will never be musicians so just accept that fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cheeky_m0nkeys Posted March 17, 2008 Members Share Posted March 17, 2008 DJs may be musicians, but so are Slipknot and neither have produced anything I'd care to listen to. I'll stick to human beings hitting/plucking/bowing things together in a room; on balance it tends to produce music I like.On a side note, DJs seem to be missing out on perhaps the most rewarding thing about playing an instrument: playing with other people. What do DJs do round the campfire? A lot of dj's play together, battle one another, or feed off each other to produce really great things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Manipulate Posted March 19, 2008 Members Share Posted March 19, 2008 On a side note, DJs seem to be missing out on perhaps the most rewarding thing about playing an instrument: playing with other people. You mean like this?[YOUTUBE]EVN86TK6EdU[/YOUTUBE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John Busbee Posted March 19, 2008 Members Share Posted March 19, 2008 that's funny as hell...you're passing that off as music and "interactive" exchange? Reminds me of the Simon game from back in the early eighties...monkey see, monkey do. No different than a clip of psychologists' training a chimp a sequence and seeing how fast he can learn it.And as far as being a hack, I can honestly say I've never been in a band that wasn't top notch. All my bands have been quite stellar actually. Yeah, pretty much cover bands...it was something I loved. Incidentally, had quite a few gigs with the "Douche Jockey" spinning the cd's in between sets...no biggy. Problem is lil' DJ Douchey Douche (you retards always have some clever urban name) was dying to rock duh house with his Realistic turntable and matching Gemini mixer through his SP 1's...for free. Basic economics and the dumbing down of America. Grab all you can, lower your standards so everyone can be had, take all you can, and when the law of diminishing return hits you and you are replaced by ladies night with free drinks for the ladies while file sharing on your Zune...remember me:thu: A lifelong musician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MetalHed Posted March 19, 2008 Members Share Posted March 19, 2008 that's funny as hell...you're passing that off as music and "interactive" exchange? Reminds me of the Simon game from back in the early eighties...monkey see, monkey do. No different than a clip of psychologists' training a chimp a sequence and seeing how fast he can learn it. I agree, that was pretty hilarious to try and pass that off as a musical exchange. The world is full of wanna-be's, this is a classic example. If they want to call themself an electronic artist, or a DJ, or anything other than a musician, I'm OK with that. Trying to call themselves musicians is laughable. It reminds me of someone that I work with who heard that I play and he told me he was a musician as well. He went on to tell me that he had an entire album written, so then I asked him what instrument he played, and he said that he didn't play any, but he had written a whole bunch of "songs" that he wanted to have put to music. It turns out he equated writing lyrics with writing music. So, I corrected him and said, "you don't have songs written, you have poems that you want someone else to put to music." He replied that, no, they are songs. Now the last time I checked, a song was a piece of "music", and so in the absense of actual "music", it's nothing more than words on a piece of paper. He still tries to tell people that he's a musician, just like DJ's try to pretend that they are as well. Hell, I wish I were a porn star, but I'm not stupid enough to run around telling people that I am one.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Manipulate Posted March 19, 2008 Members Share Posted March 19, 2008 Incidentally, had quite a few gigs with the "Douche Jockey" spinning the cd's in between sets...no biggy. Problem is lil' DJ Douchey Douche (you retards always have some clever urban name) was dying to rock duh house with his Realistic turntable and matching Gemini mixer through his SP 1's...for free. Basic economics and the dumbing down of America. Grab all you can, lower your standards so everyone can be had, take all you can, and when the law of diminishing return hits you and you are replaced by ladies night with free drinks for the ladies while file sharing on your Zune...remember me:thu: A lifelong musician. Did you complain when the Ramones took away all your glam rock gigs? I bet you did. You're not a lifelong musician, you're a lifelong bitter, has-been talking {censored} about music you have no clue about. Why don't you dumb yourself down to the grocery store, pick up some ocean spray and razor blades and lower yourself into the bathtub? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Manipulate Posted March 19, 2008 Members Share Posted March 19, 2008 I hope this is fulfilling your dreams of coming in here and starting some {censored}? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members colejustesen Posted March 19, 2008 Members Share Posted March 19, 2008 Here is the definition for musician according to Webster: a composer, conductor, or performer of music; especially : instrumentalist So technically, I could say yes. However as someone who plays multiple instruments I STILL say no. Though, I will give them "artist." Cole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members grungehack Posted March 23, 2008 Members Share Posted March 23, 2008 Wow, this is getting ugly... I have both played guitar and mixed records on TT's for hobby purposes. This argument can go both ways, while dj's on the radio and at weddings (which is the only definition of dj some people can perceive) basically just change cds and hit stop & play all day/night there are other types of dj's who couldn't do what they do if they were not musically inclined. Say what you will about the guy who mixes nonstop 132 BPM house sets, breaks sets or even 137 bpm trance sets with other people records, but at least give some one props if it sounds good. I'd seriously like to see some people take some records and do this. I'd say that beat matching records is like the ability to have your fingers in the proper position on a guitar neck with which to change chords. And key matching, phrase matching, timing tracks with which to enhance the effect of two tracks played at once is similar to the ability to only play what a song calls for in a typical gtr/bass/drum song. There are different levels of skill in both guitar and dj'ing. And as some people have suggested, you could throw anyone a guitar with a thumb & two fingers and play two note power chords all day... It takes musical ability to take things to the next level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ministryoflower Posted March 24, 2008 Members Share Posted March 24, 2008 I've got a few tools, but can't call myself a mechanic....... There are exceptions but for the most part you are a DJ OR musician.....just depends on whether you're capable of fixing my transmission!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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