Members Kvlt Posted December 12, 2003 Members Share Posted December 12, 2003 http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=498859 found this thread.I'd have to agree with the majority vote.I say 'no' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Spank! Posted December 12, 2003 Members Share Posted December 12, 2003 Who cares? Are guitar players huge ego whores who are usually average at best? Are drummers bitter little buggers hidden at the back? What about DJ producers? We can write the music, play it, record it, arrange it, mix it and then play it out in one of our DJ sets, or play it live on our live rigs. In most cases, all by ourselves. What about that, huh? Damn stupid Troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members engine505 Posted December 13, 2003 Members Share Posted December 13, 2003 This question is so 3 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members HuskerDude Posted December 15, 2003 Members Share Posted December 15, 2003 Lame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members star9 Posted December 31, 2003 Members Share Posted December 31, 2003 please define "real musician".......i work at a huge gear retailer and am subject to supposed real musicians everyday.........if i only had a switch:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bro' FF Posted January 1, 2004 Members Share Posted January 1, 2004 You guys are funny! A musician is one who plays a musical instrument; presumably with some degree of proficiency if he/she dares to state publicly "I am a musician." If a DJ were a musician, that would pretty much mean anyone who played a recording or turned on the radio would be too... no, a DJ is not a musician. A good DJ might be considered an artist, or a producer, or even a composer. None of these designations are in any way indicative of lesser talent than a "musician", they are simply different things. A lame DJ might just be considered a Disc Jockey... just another job or hobby. I am presuming all DJ's here are GOOD DJ's! Happy New Year all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Spank! Posted January 2, 2004 Members Share Posted January 2, 2004 I think people shouldn't rise to the bait. Every once in a while, a carrot crunching farmer boy who's in a blues bar band will appear in here and start making trouble. I say 'carrot crunching', because they're usually a bit 'rural' by nature and for some reason have a hatred of most things electronic as they are not really familiar with it. Hence, most cannot distuinguish between a DJ, a producer or an electronic artist. When you are all 3 of these things (Or more), it confuses/frightens them even more. Usually, these guys are guitarists, and as you might well know, every guitarist (No matter how {censored} they are) thinks that they're the second greatest guitarist, ever. I say second because they usually have some strange and childish obsession/fixation with some other famouser, richer and more gifted guitarist (Hendrix, Clapton, etc). They often never, ever grow out of thinking they're the second best guitarist in the world. DJ's are certainly very valid entertainers and shouldn't be put down because they don't have big hair and are not spanking a plank. Making less of someone's art because you don't really understand it is downright {censored}ty, narrowminded and just demonstrates that you're probably a simpleton living out in the sticks and haven't really participated in or been able to experience many different things due to your narrowminded view of the world. It's funny how many of the toothless good 'ole boys who come in here and bash DJs are the ones who were spouting the inane redneck bull{censored} in the Open Jam forum. Shut the {censored} up, go and enjoy your geetaws, cheap beer and chewing tobacco and leave the DJs alone until you can understand what they do, why it's difficult, why it's an artform and why people enjoy their work so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members drumgtr0103 Posted January 2, 2004 Members Share Posted January 2, 2004 Originally posted by Spank! I think people shouldn't rise to the bait. Every once in a while, a carrot crunching farmer boy who's in a blues bar band will appear in here and start making trouble. I say 'carrot crunching', because they're usually a bit 'rural' by nature and for some reason have a hatred of most things electronic as they are not really familiar with it. Hence, most cannot distuinguish between a DJ, a producer or an electronic artist. When you are all 3 of these things (Or more), it confuses/frightens them even more. Usually, these guys are guitarists, and as you might well know, every guitarist (No matter how {censored} they are) thinks that they're the second greatest guitarist, ever. I say second because they usually have some strange and childish obsession/fixation with some other famouser, richer and more gifted guitarist (Hendrix, Clapton, etc). They often never, ever grow out of thinking they're the second best guitarist in the world. DJ's are certainly very valid entertainers and shouldn't be put down because they don't have big hair and are not spanking a plank. Making less of someone's art because you don't really understand it is downright {censored}ty, narrowminded and just demonstrates that you're probably a simpleton living out in the sticks and haven't really participated in or been able to experience many different things due to your narrowminded view of the world. It's funny how many of the toothless good 'ole boys who come in here and bash DJs are the ones who were spouting the inane redneck bull{censored} in the Open Jam forum. Shut the {censored} up, go and enjoy your geetaws, cheap beer and chewing tobacco and leave the DJs alone until you can understand what they do, why it's difficult, why it's an artform and why people enjoy their work so much. you shut the {censored} up BITCH! I LIVE DOWN SOUTH AND HAVE APPRECIATION FOR DJS, i also play guitar, well! but, i don't think i am the 2nd, 3rd, 4th ,or even 100th best and i don't admire some guy from the 60s! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Spank! Posted January 2, 2004 Members Share Posted January 2, 2004 Who mentioned 'down south'??? Rednecks are everywhere. Drive 20 miles out of LA and you can find rednecks, if you really desire to. I've also spent a good deal of time in the South and managed to avoid seeing anybody fitting that demographic. Redneck isn't a place, it's a state of mind. I'm glad you can appreciate DJs and play a guitar. Awesome. Don't take offense at my crude generalisations - I'm just using them to illustrate a point and spank the simpletons that turn up here every once in a while for no reason other than to cause trouble and inflate their own pitiful ego. I'm wondering if there's a posse being rounded up in the Open Jam forum yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members drumgtr0103 Posted January 2, 2004 Members Share Posted January 2, 2004 Originally posted by Spank! Who mentioned 'down south'??? Rednecks are everywhere. Drive 20 miles out of LA and you can find rednecks, if you really desire to. I've also spent a good deal of time in the South and managed to avoid seeing anybody fitting that demographic. Redneck isn't a place, it's a state of mind. I'm glad you can appreciate DJs and play a guitar. Awesome. Don't take offense at my crude generalisations - I'm just using them to illustrate a point and spank the simpletons that turn up here every once in a while for no reason other than to cause trouble and inflate their own pitiful ego. I'm wondering if there's a posse being rounded up in the Open Jam forum yet? that's cool that you jus want to prove a point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members franchelB Posted January 3, 2004 Members Share Posted January 3, 2004 Some have to realize that the turntable is considered a valid musical instrument. Many musicians, especially guitarists, have a problem of "going with the flow". Personally, I think some of them feel threatened of getting replaced! I've done little mixin'n'scratchin'...and from the experience of listening to the "mixmaster DJs", they are musicians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 6ftabovsealevel Posted January 3, 2004 Members Share Posted January 3, 2004 Originally posted by Spank! I'm wondering if there's a posse being rounded up in the Open Jam forum yet? LMFAO... They're going to ride into town on thier stacks of Marshall cabs, the only advance warning of their arrival being the sound of squeaking caster wheels in the far away distance. DJs will be unceremoniously torn from behind the decks in their bedrooms and clubs and dragged into the town square, the final sounds coming over their monitors in the form of a sickening vinyl/needle scratch that echoes across the land. An enormous stage will be erected where speed metal and glam rock throwback bands will play before a teeming mass of rednecks with mullets, cut off Whitesnake t-shirts, and fingers calloused from endless hours of playing the same 3 chords. The music will stop at a carefully chosen hour, and we will be lined up under a massive lighting truss. Each one with a 1/4" patch cord around his neck with nothing but our milk crates full of records under our feet to support us in our once peaceful and apparently unenlightened lives. The crates will be kicked from under our feet, and a great roar will arise from the crowd, intoxicated with bloodlust and Miller Highlife. Records will spill to the ground, be trampled, warped and scratched under thousands of mercilous feet. A great fire will be lit, and copies of Darude's "Sandstorm" will burn next to rare James Brown LP's. But the madness that drowned out the sounds of the last breaths taken by those on stage will end as quickly as the lives of those who just wanted to play some music, and make a few people dance. It must end, for there will always be something else to hate, another group to persecute for the nonsense they choose to value, another place to rid of the ignorance that brings the rest of the legitimate music world down. So back onto their PA cabinets they climb, riding off into a sunset reddened by the smoke of burning plastic and massive pyrotechnics displays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wysiwyg Posted January 3, 2004 Members Share Posted January 3, 2004 ROTFLMAO "The crates will be kicked from under our feet, and a great roar will arise from the crowd, intoxicated with bloodlust and Miller Highlife." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members crazyteknohed Posted January 4, 2004 Members Share Posted January 4, 2004 I'm both a DJ and a guitarist (acoustic guitarist, not a fret wanker) and this is what I think... DJ - not musician Producer - composer, unless of course he/she plays an instrument Scratch DJ - musician, no question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bro' FF Posted January 5, 2004 Members Share Posted January 5, 2004 Dude, there are all kinds of talent in this world. While scratching a record might be a talent and even a modern art form, that does NOT a musician make. You can think it as much as you want, but you are NOT a musician. Why not just call yourself a musical artist and be happy at that? You guys are too funny; a turntable is considered an instrument... that is a {censored}ing riot. I suppose my car horn is an instrument too... if I {censored} around with it long enough, I can probably come up with something really cool no one has done with it, and start a new trend and call myself a car horn musician. I will play the car horn, and do cool things with it, and I will be a musician.... yeah, that's what I'll do! I suppose the guys with their Fast and Furious Hondas with 20000 watt soundsysems at car shows are also musicians! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TacoFlavoredPigeon Posted January 6, 2004 Members Share Posted January 6, 2004 musician? hey- I can fart and call it music- all I know is that Dj's get lots O club {censored} and usually paid very well- so they're doin a hell ov alot better than us sometimes..... (and isnt that what its all about? {censored} and money?) cmon- dont lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members chris7sam Posted October 24, 2006 Members Share Posted October 24, 2006 I think a dj might be considered a musician if he is scratching in a band. It's kind of like a purcussion instrument. These djs don't really play records in full, they use small bits if them to scratch with. If you think it's easy, you'd be wrong. I have played guitar for 15 years and drums for 25 years, and I feel like a complete moron when trying to scratch. These guys have talent. An example might be Limp Bizkit or Incubus. The dj is a member of the band. A club dj is a differnet story (unless he is scratching). A club dj mixes music, which is a talent in itself. Everyone who buys 2 cd players and a mixer calls themselves a dj (we call them button pressers), but real club dj's beat mix by BPM's. I like old fashioned Vinyl myself, but you can beatmix with cd's as well. I'm a musician and a dj. Being a musician has certainly made me a better dj. Beat mixing comes 2nd nature to me, as well as knowing musical cycles in music. Beat mixing is most effective when songs flawlessly mix from one to another during the right moment. You can't mix out in the middle of a 32 beat section of music. The flow needs to be natural. Just an opinion...I've been wrong before, he he he! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GregLast Posted November 11, 2006 Members Share Posted November 11, 2006 I agree with you there, being a musician helps in alot of different areas. I don't think I would consider a DJ a musician. However, I would consider DJ's to be very skilled composers. Producers, yes, musicians. Electronic Artists, yes, musicians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Iamtheblues Posted December 5, 2006 Members Share Posted December 5, 2006 2 turntabos and a microphone...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MastaBassist10 Posted December 8, 2006 Members Share Posted December 8, 2006 A musician is an artist that deals with music. DJ's [the mixing/scratching kind] are artists. They mix and scratch music. Hence, they are musicians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DJ Schmeejay Posted December 9, 2006 Members Share Posted December 9, 2006 Originally posted by Bro' FF You guys are too funny; a turntable is considered an instrument... that is a {censored}ing riot. I suppose my car horn is an instrument too... This turntable is a legitimate instrument: http://www.pssl.com/bitemdetail.tpl?eqint_keyiddata=43536&source=FROO The whole problem is with the term "DJ". Most people who call themselves that are not musicians. That's why more advanced DJs and turntablists get lumped in with the crowd. You can't expect most guitar players to grasp the difference. Guitarists are usually much too busy trying to sound like something they heard on a CD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SUPERBANANABOMB Posted December 25, 2006 Members Share Posted December 25, 2006 This is really been overly-complicated. If you are a DJ and all you do is mix/blend music, you are not a musician. You aren't CREATING music. You are just mixing it. However, in the case of turntablists (scratch DJ's), they are bonafide musicians. I've been at it for almost 10 years now and I can tell you that scratching is a hell of a lot harder than it looks. It's percussion. You need impeccable timing, a great sense of rhythm, loads of creativity and the ability to innovate. Not only that but since you are manipulating pre-recorded material, turntablists have the ability to pull off a more dynamic performance than "traditional" musicians because they can hand-craft the entire vibe of their set by selecting the right records. People who slam DJ's are either behind the times or just closed-minded, musically. They will be into rock 'n roll until the day they die and would probably spit Skoal on a drum machine. That's fine. Personally, I think it's great that one person with a laptop, a mixer, a midi controller and a turntable (me) can make an entire composition... on the fly, even. Get with the times, you backwards Skynrd {censored}s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cryptozoon Posted August 3, 2007 Members Share Posted August 3, 2007 The link in the original post isn't working. Wondering if the administrator could make it live again. thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members glenboarder99 Posted August 4, 2007 Members Share Posted August 4, 2007 No of Course there not a musican:bor: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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