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hi there hope you can help.how do you use voxengo span i have tried it but don`t know what im doing.it dosn`t appear to come with any help ,examples or presets , don`t know if i unpacked it correctly ,thanks

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The way I use it is for example, say you have two guitars that are stepping on each other. I put Span on each of the tracks and see where the frequencies are, then I use EQ to notch out and make room for each one.

 

Mike

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The stock settings in span are pretty good. You can adjust the speed and level of the waveform to suit your needs. The trick is to just get a waveform showing. How high is dependant on the volume level of the track. You may need to crank the level for the display to register there its readable. You can put it in your mains channel like an effect which is the easiest. Then just solo the channel you want to check. With span open and the track playing you'll get a graphic representation of the Frequency spectrum from 20HZ on the left to 20KHz on the right. You can set an EQ as an insert for the channels needing an adjustment. With Span and the EQ open at the same time you can see the adjustment occuring in Span simular to what you get with a Home stereo EQ with an LED readout.

The only other thing you need to have is an idea of where the FQ responce of instruments sit in the mix. Check these out

 

http://www.homerecordingconnection.com/news.php?action=view_story&id=154

 

http://www.independentrecording.net/irn/resources/freqchart/main_display.htm

 

http://christianproaudio.com/EQSheet.htm

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Need to know where youre loosing it to help. Is it that you cant get it to function or dont understand what youre seeing when you do?

What a FQ analizer does is show you a visual representation of the the instrument being played. Its a visual aid that helps you see problem as well as correct frequincy levels. For example if an instrument has too much bass you'll see it peaking in the low FQ range. Mids and trebble also can show large peaks. The learning curve is knowing weather these peaks are natureal for the instrument, Weather they sound good to the ear, or weather they are lacking something due to poor recording/miking techniques, or poor equipment quality, etc etc.

 

 

Heres some more info on getting the mix to set properly

 

http://www.harmony-central.com/articles/tips/creating_spacious_mixes/

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thanks for that they are very helpfull links ,still getting the hang of it, having the e q open along with voxengo ,when you click on eq the voxengo window dissapears and vice-versa i wonder if i can get round that problem .also i`m just getting the hang of the eq switches i normally try to get a good tone when i record in .then i don`t have to use the eq that much,could you tell me ,did you get anything else with the voxengo l had nothing in the default section` do you just create your own presets .

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With one window dissapearing like that it can be time consuming but at least you can use it to view the changes you made and to see if making adjustments by ear is a healthy change for the mix.

Multitracking can be difficult until you get a hang for things. Dont be afraid to build presets for plugins that you use the same mikes or equipment on.

Also I you find a track that has something wrong or have to wildly EQ make a note to make changes to the equipment youre rercording with weather it be the adjustments on an amp, swapping mikes, adding reflective surfaces to the room etc.

For example Making changes to a guitar amp eq settings to match a mike may make it more difficult to play the instrument as far as hearing your usuall sound goes, But the benifits of having a great track recorded will save tons of time tinkering around with plugins and EQs etc when it comes to mixing. Sometimes only only marginal changes can be made but every small step gets you that much closer to a perfect mix. Sometimes it requires duct tape to cover knobs so musicians cant screw with a great sound set on an amp.

 

In my studio I have a setup where everythings setup, Marked, Miked etc. I can expect a certain quality mix with the ways things are set and can get consistantly good sound quality. If I find a problem in the mix I analize the sound and try to fix the source first. It may be a guitar pedal cranked too high, A drum out of tune, Or the bass player was messing with his settings when I wasnt looking which is a big problem.

What I'll do then is make his track sound real bad and play it back with another decent track. I'll then ask him "Is this how you really want to sound?" the answer is usually no so I tell him hands off and he gets the message and just plays better to get a better sound vs cranking knobs. I've also gotten to the point where I'll add resistors to his (My) Bass guitar settings so he cant mess the sound up there either.

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thanks for all that it is great advice, my recordings are quite good but allways have some anoying frequencys so hopefully all this will help,i have never really thought about sound in the context of frequency numbers before i`ll have to analyze some different recordings by artists and make some notes .

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one problem i found with voxengo was when i opend it as an insert for example the vocal trk, then changed the eq for the vocal trk the voxengo did not alter. it is obviously getting the dry signal first.

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Maybe you can change the order of the inserts for example load the EQ first then span. Chain order should change then reflecting EQ changes to the mix.

Like I said I put min in the mains channel insert so i can get around that problem, but have successfully used it as an insert by changing the order I load effects. You can probibly add it to an aux bus also and just send a signal to it. You would have to set the bus for Post vs Pre to see the channel eq changes

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cheers mate all ready tried that ,the insert eq `s are crap on this machine , the main eq`s are much better,do you know any decent eq`s to download.

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In a case like that it may be difficult. You may need to bounce the track with the EQ change and see what the new track looks like with span. Theres another Analizer or two out there

you can run in the background that are independant from your sequencer and doesnt need to be plugged into your insert. It takes the signal directly from the sound card. You would have to be playing back through a stereo sound card though. I have an 8 channel card and progs like True RTA http://www.trueaudio.com/rta_abt1.htm may not work cause it dominates 2 input channels upon install. If you're using a firewire or usb it shouldnt be an issue.

 

I would go to KVR first and try out all the freebees till I find something I like.

i use Blue EQ which is part of a free VST effects pack that has about 8 or 9 different effects. Its a low resource 4 band/2 parametric eq with pretty good sound quality. You may also want to look at Hi and Lo pass filters if you only want to remove bass or trebble.

 

Go to this page

http://www.kvraudio.com/get.php

Click on the boxes that match your setup and search queries and click search.

Then download all the free ones for a tryout. Theres tons of graphic and parametric types. Be wary some may suck tons of resources from your system but so far all have been safe that I've tried.

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thanks again for been so helpfull,i use emu 0404 pci sound card i`ll give true rta a go,i`ll have a look at the other link also

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Looks like it has 2 ins and outs so you should be ok. Theres another that is amost as good as true rta, I'd have to search the net for it though.

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hi there, some good little units there i like the bluecat eq,still getting my head round the true rta ,i played some snipits of various sounds it didn`t seem to respond that well but it is only the basic version because its a freebie, i will have to try harder on that one,i came across voxengooldskoolverb thats good ,gonna take a visit back to where i got the blue cat some good stuff there and the voxengo site thanks for all that, it`s opend my eyes a bit more.

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Heres some others

 

For a multitrack enviornment this would be ideal for mixing multiple audio channels http://www.vertexdsp.com/products.html

 

Heres some plugins that I use pretty regular

 

http://www.dontcrack.com/freeware/downloads.php/id/1149/software/H2O/

 

http://www.dontcrack.com/freeware/downloads.php/id/4346/software/31-Band-1-3-Octave-Master-EQ/

 

http://www.dontcrack.com/freeware/downloads.php/id/339/software/RubyTube/

 

http://karmafx.net/

 

http://www.digilogue.de/ This site is dead but has link to download. Great plugs

 

This one is a good low resource multieffects unit for guitar/keys/ bass

http://www.luxonix.com/home/en/products.html?id=lfx1310

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checked out them sites more good stuff , some great reverbs and eqs thanks very much, if you come across anymore give us a shout .

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You may want to read through one of the first posts that says the best free stuff. They pretty much cover it all.

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bloody hell it`s like fx city here now ,should keep me busy for a while ,i`ll let you know what i think when i`ve had a dabble. thanks for that and the other guys too for putting em up.

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