Members stiman Posted August 3, 2005 Members Share Posted August 3, 2005 Hi all, just a simple question really... If I slave one 150watts combo into another 150watts combo via the effects loop, will I be doubling the output to 300watts?? Both combos have an internal 4ohmn 15" speaker if that changes anything... Tell me what you think, Thanks,Fred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members syciprider Posted August 3, 2005 Members Share Posted August 3, 2005 You potentially have 300 watts on tap yes. The impedance will not matter because the amps don't "see" each other at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members stiman Posted August 3, 2005 Author Members Share Posted August 3, 2005 Is it unsafe in anyway for the amps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bassplayinguy Posted August 3, 2005 Members Share Posted August 3, 2005 not as long as you run them correctly technically youd end up with 2x150 watts cause your have to cabs and 2 amps and 1 signal, thats all but it would sound alot louder, due to the extra speakers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members stiman Posted August 3, 2005 Author Members Share Posted August 3, 2005 so... if its entirely due to the speakers, then im better off just getting an extention cab right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members scarecrowbob Posted August 3, 2005 Members Share Posted August 3, 2005 Only if you can run your amp a 2ohms. All other things being equal, you are probably better off with more power and the speaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members megadan Posted August 3, 2005 Members Share Posted August 3, 2005 The only difference between that and splitting the signal between two amps (biamping) is that you'd only be using the preamp of the first combo. So pick the one that has the better preamp and use that one first. Or just get a cheap xover (or even cheaper/easier, a pedal w/ two outputs) and use both preamps for maximum tone shapping ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members stiman Posted August 3, 2005 Author Members Share Posted August 3, 2005 hmmm, well, its all very interesting... See, I had a Peavey TNT 115 and the tweeter is broken... and I dont think that it sounds any good... So today I bought the Yorkville XM200C and its great. It sounds way better. Now I was initially thinking of simply selling the Peavey but thats when I started thinking about biamping... I also though of using the internal Peavey speaker as an extension cab since its a 4ohms speaker. I could plugthe speaker into the extension speaker jack of the Yorkville and thus running the yorkville at 200watts 2ohms and having basically a 1x15 combo with a 1x15 extension cab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted August 3, 2005 CMS Author Share Posted August 3, 2005 Biamplification uses an active crossover to split the signal into separate low and high frequency parts, and amplifying them separately. What you're doing isn't this; it's simply using two amps. Because of the way things work, this may not be all that much louder or sound that much better. It really doesn't make much sense to have multiple compact combos. Might as well just get a bigger separates rig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mudbass Posted August 3, 2005 Members Share Posted August 3, 2005 Originally posted by Craigv Biamplification uses an active crossover to split the signal into separate low and high frequency parts, and amplifying them separately... Like this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bassman1956 Posted August 3, 2005 Members Share Posted August 3, 2005 Turn it up!!! Originally posted by Mudbass Like this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members scarecrowbob Posted August 3, 2005 Members Share Posted August 3, 2005 Originally posted by stiman hmmm, well, its all very interesting...See, I had a Peavey TNT 115 and the tweeter is broken... and I dont think that it sounds any good... So today I bought the Yorkville XM200C and its great. It sounds way better.Now I was initially thinking of simply selling the Peavey but thats when I started thinking about biamping... I also though of using the internal Peavey speaker as an extension cab since its a 4ohms speaker. I could plugthe speaker into the extension speaker jack of the Yorkville and thus running the yorkville at 200watts 2ohms and having basically a 1x15 combo with a 1x15 extension cab. Yah, Craig is right. Fix the TNT and sell it, return the Yorkie, and get a head/cab combo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members stiman Posted August 3, 2005 Author Members Share Posted August 3, 2005 well, ill get a head/cab next year when I make decent cash... But for this year, ill just use this for practice, jams and maybe a few gigs (small venues). But I deffinitly want an extension speaker at some point. Thanks everyone,This was a fun topic, learned alot,Fred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mudbass Posted August 3, 2005 Members Share Posted August 3, 2005 Originally posted by bassman1956 Turn it up!!! You know what the best part about having a rig like that is? When I ask my guitar player to turn down his amp...he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members syciprider Posted August 3, 2005 Members Share Posted August 3, 2005 Originally posted by stiman well, ill get a head/cab next year when I make decent cash... But for this year, ill just use this for practice, jams and maybe a few gigs (small venues).But I deffinitly want an extension speaker at some point.Thanks everyone,This was a fun topic, learned alot,Fred Good decision. Until you have a roomful of them, don't ever sell working gear just because. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BEAD Posted August 3, 2005 Members Share Posted August 3, 2005 Originally posted by Mudbass You know what the best part about having a rig like that is? When I ask my guitar player to turn down his amp...he does. I've had a similar experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members der oxenrig Posted August 3, 2005 Members Share Posted August 3, 2005 The Yorkville goes down to 2 ohms, and still gets very loud. Just get a 4 ohm extension cab, or two of the Yorkville 8-ohm cabs. It'll still be loud as balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members stiman Posted August 3, 2005 Author Members Share Posted August 3, 2005 Thanks Ox, I knew you were a big fan of the XM200 and figured you would pop in at some point. Im a big fan of the yorkville/trainor gear too. I've some of there gear and its always been the best. Im pretty sure that when I get a head/cab ill be getting the XS400 or the XS800 and a few of there cabs (maybe just a 4x10). Anyway, thanks everyone,Fred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members KeroseneTrewthe Posted August 3, 2005 Members Share Posted August 3, 2005 Originally posted by bassman1956 Turn it up!!! Do you have one of those Little Giant Ladders to climb up and over and around that thing!!!!?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RSBro Posted August 4, 2005 Members Share Posted August 4, 2005 Originally posted by chunkathalon I've had a similar experience. It's times like this and over at TB with the regular "Rig of Doom!" festivals that go on that I don't feel too bad about having 2 or 3 preamps, one badassed power amp, a few basses, and a simple switching system and 2 cabs. Meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Zeromus-X Posted August 4, 2005 Members Share Posted August 4, 2005 Originally posted by Mudbass You know what the best part about having a rig like that is? When I ask my guitar player to turn down his amp...he does. Funny, that happened to me too! Even better is that I always got bass in the monitors when I asked the soundguy after bringing in the full rig. No complaints either! The on-stage mix sounds so much better with a little bass in the monitors. It's a shame I had to resort to that sometimes, becuase if the bass was in the monitor in the first place, I wouldn't have had to bring the rig at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members the_big_geez Posted August 4, 2005 Members Share Posted August 4, 2005 The old trick was to daisychain everything. Watch the National Mall scene from Forrest Gump. You'd simply plug into the high input on an amp and run another cable from the low input into the high input of another amp. And so on and so on. Every amp you'd plug into made you louder! This was lonooong before Bob Mackie ever built anything for sale. Listen to the Beatles @ Shea Stadium. There weren't any PA's back then that could out-loud 17,000 screaming teenage girls! Using this technique was all they could do. (And, it still wasn't enough...) PA's shaped up pretty quick after that, though. But not till after Woodstock. No matter what anyone tells you, 'back in the day' that's the way it was done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rippin' Robin Posted August 4, 2005 Members Share Posted August 4, 2005 Originally posted by Craigv Biamplification uses an active crossover to split the signal into separate low and high frequency parts, and amplifying them separately. Ain't that a passive crossover? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.