Members PaulyWally Posted August 5, 2005 Members Share Posted August 5, 2005 Yeah... I know I've been asking a lot of questions regarding amps and cabs. But geez... I still haven't narrowed it down much and the search function is broke. So... self-explanitory question. I might be getting a gig next month, and that would mean I need a rig. I don't really WANT to spend a lot of money to start, but it would be nice to start with a decent amp and better than average cab. I figure I could upgrade the amp later (keep the old one for a backup), and build on to the cab. Ya know? It also doesn't help that my 18" Black Widow is blown. That could have given me more options to start with an amp. I was also thinking of the possibility of either DI'ing or bi-amping out of an amp into my Ampeg 2x8 (with tweeter) 150W combo and using it as a top cab. Probably DI since that would add another 150W of SS. That would probably allow me more options for a bottom. If it weren't for that, I would probably be looking solely at 4x10's to start. So... whaddaya'll think? This would be my first "real" rig, and I hate to learn by failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zachoff Posted August 5, 2005 Members Share Posted August 5, 2005 http://www.yorkville.com/products.asp?type=32&cat=40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members PaulyWally Posted August 5, 2005 Author Members Share Posted August 5, 2005 Originally posted by zachoff http://www.yorkville.com/products.asp?type=32&cat=40 What's the pricetag on that bad boy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members oldivor Posted August 5, 2005 Members Share Posted August 5, 2005 Maybe an Ampeg V-4 or V-4B and a cab or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zachoff Posted August 5, 2005 Members Share Posted August 5, 2005 Originally posted by PaulyWally What's the pricetag on that bad boy? Right around $1000... It will probably be a little over that with tax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members shaffle Posted August 5, 2005 Members Share Posted August 5, 2005 You could get a SARBI pre, QSCRMX power and Avatar B212 for about that price. Cables and a rack case would cost a few bucks more, but you'd have a very serviceable rig with add on potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members oldivor Posted August 5, 2005 Members Share Posted August 5, 2005 I've heard(only heard not played or any thing) that the 808 cabs are better then the 210115 cabs. But take it with a grain of salt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members beam Posted August 5, 2005 Members Share Posted August 5, 2005 Ashdown ABM C410T Bass Amp (4x10 Inch with Tweeter, 575 Watts) 575 watts RMS 4 x 10" BlueLine bass drivers + HF tweeter 46 Kilograms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members KeroseneTrewthe Posted August 5, 2005 Members Share Posted August 5, 2005 What kind of music do you play? Do you have an idea of what sound your looking for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members PaulyWally Posted August 5, 2005 Author Members Share Posted August 5, 2005 Originally posted by beam Ashdown ABM C410T Bass Amp (4x10 Inch with Tweeter, 575 Watts)575 watts RMS4 x 10" BlueLine bass drivers + HF tweeter46 Kilograms I don't like the idea of gigging with a combo. If one thing breaks, the whole thing is broke. Plus, there's less add-on potiential. Originally posted by KeroseneTrewthe What kind of music do you play? Do you have an idea of what sound your looking for? I don't use a pick. I play Jazz, Funk, R&B, and Classic Rock. The gig will probably be Classic Rock. The sound I'm looking for is probably a cross between a classic Fender Tube sound and a newer Mesa Boogie sound. Thick, thumpy, distinguished lows... and just enough highs to blend nice with the guitars while maintaining a lot of clarity. I've never had a problem getting that sound out of my Ampeg 2x8 combo. Peavey and Hardtke are the other two that I'm very familiar with, and neither could cut it. Any other brands I've only toyed with... never gave them a good test run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members beam Posted August 5, 2005 Members Share Posted August 5, 2005 Originally posted by PaulyWally I don't like the idea of gigging with a combo. If one thing breaks, the whole thing is broke. Plus, there's less add-on potiential. Well, you can always get the head and the cabs seperate, costs a little more though. However I'm not sure about less add-on potential. This thing supports an extension cab. Would you think you might need more than a 4x10/4x10,2x10, or 1x15? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 1tallbassguy Posted August 5, 2005 Members Share Posted August 5, 2005 Originally posted by mxpxfan I've heard(only heard not played or any thing) that the 808 cabs are better then the 210115 cabs. But take it with a grain of salt. I can confirm that the XC808 is indeed better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RSBro Posted August 5, 2005 Members Share Posted August 5, 2005 BBE BMAX pre Peavey or QSC amp, 'round 500-600W channel Used Eden 410! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Insomniac Posted August 5, 2005 Members Share Posted August 5, 2005 For just about a grand, I think my rig is a best buy. Avatar B210 and a B212. A used SVT III Pro off Ebay $450. I'm happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zachoff Posted August 5, 2005 Members Share Posted August 5, 2005 Originally posted by PaulyWally I don't like the idea of gigging with a combo. If one thing breaks, the whole thing is broke. Plus, there's less add-on potiential. Not really true, man... The higher powered combos are essentially a head and cab in one package. Some of them even let you remove the head from the combo and use it as a separate in a rack or whatever. There's a DI out, an effects loop, and multiple speaker outs among other things you'd get in a head/cab separate. The thing you get with a combo that you might not get with a head/cab separate is with the combo you know the head/cab pairing is a direct match. Also, if you bring a head and a cab and one of them breaks, that whole rig is broke too. Besides, most of the time you'll be going DI, so if you have a DI out or a DI box you'll be fine no matter what rig you have. Most of the time the rig is there for stage sound for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members PaulyWally Posted August 5, 2005 Author Members Share Posted August 5, 2005 Originally posted by zachoff Not really true, man...The higher powered combos are essentially a head and cab in one package. Some of them even let you remove the head from the combo and use it as a separate in a rack or whatever. There's a DI out, an effects loop, and multiple speaker outs among other things you'd get in a head/cab separate.The thing you get with a combo that you might not get with a head/cab separate is with the combo you know the head/cab pairing is a direct match.Also, if you bring a head and a cab and one of them breaks, that whole rig is broke too.Besides, most of the time you'll be going DI, so if you have a DI out or a DI box you'll be fine no matter what rig you have. Most of the time the rig is there for stage sound for you. Thanks for the insight! I never really looked at it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LanEvo Posted August 5, 2005 Members Share Posted August 5, 2005 I bought an SWR Redhead combo a few years back (maybe 7-8 years ago) for around $800. Today, you could probably find one even cheaper. I dropped a dbx 266XL compressor in the rackspace and replaced the tube with a Groove Tubes 12AX7R-2. This rig is pretty hard to beat for a reasonably lightweight, compact, inexpensive package with a very nice sound and plenty of power for moderate volumes. These days I prefer the sound of Eden gear: I love the midrange sweetness that's missing in the more "hi-fi" sound of the SWR. But I've added a Line 6 Bass Podxt and it has a REALLY good model of the Eden sound. The Ampeg model is pretty nice, too. Anyway, I wouldn't be so quick to reject a good combo. Emre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bassman1956 Posted August 5, 2005 Members Share Posted August 5, 2005 Originally posted by zachoff http://www.yorkville.com/products.asp?type=32&cat=40 The amp's great! But the cab's rather weak. I have it sitting on top Mesa's I got from RockStarBassist, and it's awesome! Amp was $595 + tax new, think they're $625 now. Cabs were $500 + shipping. All together, about $1100. Tuner's optional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members PaulyWally Posted August 5, 2005 Author Members Share Posted August 5, 2005 Without hearing them... I'm really diggin' the Traynor's. Sounds like a great intermediate head at a great price. Do any online retailers sell them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members L-1329 Posted August 5, 2005 Members Share Posted August 5, 2005 I'd go with a GBE600 head and an Avatar 212 to start. You won't ever need to upgrade the head, and you won't have much invested in a cab, but you will still have a great sounding rig. Should be around a grand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Apendecto Posted August 5, 2005 Members Share Posted August 5, 2005 Get a power amp, a preamp that sounds good to you and your favorite cab. This has been said before but you make it whatever sound you want. Plus if you don't like one part, sell it and switch it out. Plus, if you move on you can use the power amp for a PA or sell it for the same reason. Avatar: CheapUsed: Cheap Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members shaffle Posted August 5, 2005 Members Share Posted August 5, 2005 Originally posted by Apendecto Avatar: CheapUsed: Cheap Neither of which should be associated with poor quality. Avatar units are, at least, as serviceable as those costing much more and used gear can be a great value if you know how to shop for it. But I agree with you, it seems like a no-brainer to assemble a separate pre-power-cab rig. You'll spend less in the long run and have something that you can add or subtract from. An added plus is MORE POWER. Very practical and affordable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members PaulyWally Posted August 5, 2005 Author Members Share Posted August 5, 2005 Originally posted by shaffle But I agree with you, it seems like a no-brainer to assemble a separate pre-power-cab rig. You'll spend less in the long run and have something that you can add or subtract from. An added plus is MORE POWER.Very practical and affordable. OK. If I start looking into that as an option, I know that pre amp will be personal preference all the way. But are there any power amps I should be looking at/staying away from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members xdamagexx Posted August 5, 2005 Members Share Posted August 5, 2005 i got a used GK 1001rb and 2x10pro, 1x15neo avatar for under a G... and couldn;t more happier.... gl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zachoff Posted August 5, 2005 Members Share Posted August 5, 2005 Originally posted by PaulyWally OK. If I start looking into that as an option, I know that pre amp will be personal preference all the way. But are there any power amps I should be looking at/staying away from? The sweetest preamp I've ever played through is a Line 6 Bass POD Pro. They're $500 new & I'm not sure how much used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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