Members takeout Posted August 9, 2005 Members Share Posted August 9, 2005 Played this festival-type setting this weekend; the stage rig was a GK 800RB with Eden 410 and 115 cabs. I had the amp up pretty loud, but... I use feedback for certain things in our set. About four songs in, I notice that the rig has become smaller sounding somehow, and buzzy. Then, just smaller sounding. I look back; the 10s are pumping like crazy, but the 15 is motionless. That sound company's gonna be pissed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members PaulyWally Posted August 9, 2005 Members Share Posted August 9, 2005 Originally posted by takeout Played this festival-type setting this weekend; the stage rig was a GK 800RB with Eden 410 and 115 cabs. I had the amp up pretty loud, but...I use feedback for certain things in our set. About four songs in, I notice that the rig has become smaller sounding somehow, and buzzy. Then, just smaller sounding. I look back; the 10s are pumping like crazy, but the 15 is motionless.That sound company's gonna be pissed... Whoa... you had me worried there. At first I thought the rig was yours. Wow. Feels kinda good to blow someone else's stuff... doesn't it?! haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mlwarriner Posted August 9, 2005 Members Share Posted August 9, 2005 you're so rock and roll it hurts! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members brake Posted August 9, 2005 Members Share Posted August 9, 2005 good. that's where eden stuff belongs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members takeout Posted August 9, 2005 Author Members Share Posted August 9, 2005 What's funny is that my cheap Ampeg 115 (a rescue from MF's scratch and dent dept.) has lasted me for years (although the speaker it came with had a fried voice coil, warranty covered it). Edens are supposed to be bulletproof. Does that make me "armor-piercing"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sunburstbasser Posted August 9, 2005 Members Share Posted August 9, 2005 Originally posted by takeout What's funny is that my cheap Ampeg 115 (a rescue from MF's scratch and dent dept.) has lasted me for years (although the speaker it came with had a fried voice coil, warranty covered it). Edens are supposed to be bulletproof.Does that make me "armor-piercing"? You {censored}ed up Eden, you, my friend, are the SNAKE!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members beam Posted August 9, 2005 Members Share Posted August 9, 2005 Originally posted by brake good. that's where eden stuff belongs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mudbass Posted August 9, 2005 Members Share Posted August 9, 2005 Originally posted by takeout Edens are supposed to be bulletproof. They are, but unfortunately they're not fool proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members takeout Posted August 10, 2005 Author Members Share Posted August 10, 2005 Originally posted by Mudbass They are, but unfortunately they're not fool proof. How have yours survived? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members L. Ron Hoover Posted August 10, 2005 Members Share Posted August 10, 2005 Originally posted by Mudbass They are, but unfortunately they're not fool proof. They're not bulletproof either.... I've seen a lot of blown Eden drivers over the years. Especially 10s. I've seen more blown Eden 10s than just about any other cone speaker.. .....Unless there are a disproportionate number of fools using Eden............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Newget Posted August 10, 2005 Members Share Posted August 10, 2005 Originally posted by brake good. that's where eden stuff belongs. Hell Yeah, Who needs high quality tone, pure master craftmanship, and sweet sonic pleasure in their bass rig? To hell with the cleanest pure sounding, bass equipment, to hell with it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members takeout Posted August 10, 2005 Author Members Share Posted August 10, 2005 Originally posted by Newget Hell Yeah, Who needs high quality tone, pure master craftmanship, and sweet sonic pleasure in their bass rig? To hell with the cleanest pure sounding, bass equipment, to hell with it! It sure seemed willing to go to hell with a quickness... must be the "master craftsmanship". Meanwhile, the el cheapo Eminence in my Ampeg cab keeps on keepin' on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members el_duderino676 Posted August 10, 2005 Members Share Posted August 10, 2005 Originally posted by takeout It sure seemed willing to go to hell with a quickness... must be the "master craftsmanship".Meanwhile, the el cheapo Eminence in my Ampeg cab keeps on keepin' on... +1. I love the tone through the 15 in my BA115. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NeonVomit Posted August 10, 2005 Members Share Posted August 10, 2005 Hmm. Ive been considering an Eden Nemesis cab for my GK head... Not good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Perfessor Posted August 10, 2005 Members Share Posted August 10, 2005 I'm still going to buy an Eden in the spring. I play jazz. Shhhhh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members J the D Posted August 10, 2005 Members Share Posted August 10, 2005 You are so right. That sound company is going to be extremely pissed. The reason you fried the 15" Eden speaker is because it happened to be the unfortunate unit that you were using. You were running a rig rated for only 300 watts at 4 ohms into a 4x10 rated for 540 watts and a 15 rated for 350 watts. By starting with a distorted signal and running the amp into clipping you provided a perfect example of a speaker fried because of too little power. You have to run the rig you are playing through within its designed operating limitations no matter who tha manufacturer is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bassplayer7770 Posted August 10, 2005 Members Share Posted August 10, 2005 My Eden drivers have never failed me...yet... *crosses fingers* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fretless Posted August 10, 2005 Members Share Posted August 10, 2005 Those 800's are something else . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members takeout Posted August 10, 2005 Author Members Share Posted August 10, 2005 Originally posted by J the D You are so right. That sound company is going to be extremely pissed. The reason you fried the 15" Eden speaker is because it happened to be the unfortunate unit that you were using. You were running a rig rated for only 300 watts at 4 ohms into a 4x10 rated for 540 watts and a 15 rated for 350 watts. By starting with a distorted signal and running the amp into clipping you provided a perfect example of a speaker fried because of too little power. You have to run the rig you are playing through within its designed operating limitations no matter who tha manufacturer is. Except the signal wasn't distorted. It was clean up until the point of failure - cleaner than I like, in fact (thanks, GK). Hey - I didn't put that rig together... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Markee Posted August 10, 2005 Members Share Posted August 10, 2005 Very inneresting...... I have a question. If Eminence speakers are the choice of Ampeg to use in their cabs and Eminence is one of, what, three major speaker manufacturers, and Avatar uses the same speaker(s) as Ampeg, why aren't Avatar cabs held in the same light? Has anybody done a side by side comparison of the 4X10? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members takeout Posted August 10, 2005 Author Members Share Posted August 10, 2005 Originally posted by Markee Very inneresting...... I have a question. If Eminence speakers are the choice of Ampeg to use in their cabs and Eminence is one of, what, three major speaker manufacturers, and Avatar uses the same speaker(s) as Ampeg, why aren't Avatar cabs held in the same light? Has anybody done a side by side comparison of the 4X10? They're not a similar design (sealed vs. ported); there are also many different models within the Eminence brand. You have to compare apples to apples, which doesn't apply in Ampeg vs. Avatar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members L. Ron Hoover Posted August 10, 2005 Members Share Posted August 10, 2005 Originally posted by Markee Very inneresting...... I have a question. If Eminence speakers are the choice of Ampeg to use in their cabs and Eminence is one of, what, three major speaker manufacturers, and Avatar uses the same speaker(s) as Ampeg, why aren't Avatar cabs held in the same light? Has anybody done a side by side comparison of the 4X10? There's more to it than the drivers involved... The design of the cabinet is pretty important. Also, Eminence does a lot of OEM manufacture as well, so it's entirely possible that the drivers Ampeg uses are nothing like the off-the-shelf Eminence drivers that Avatar uses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members L. Ron Hoover Posted August 10, 2005 Members Share Posted August 10, 2005 Originally posted by J the D You are so right. That sound company is going to be extremely pissed. The reason you fried the 15" Eden speaker is because it happened to be the unfortunate unit that you were using. You were running a rig rated for only 300 watts at 4 ohms into a 4x10 rated for 540 watts and a 15 rated for 350 watts. By starting with a distorted signal and running the amp into clipping you provided a perfect example of a speaker fried because of too little power. You have to run the rig you are playing through within its designed operating limitations no matter who tha manufacturer is. Conjecture! This probably wasn't the root cause, especially since Takeout said everything was nice and clean. There are so many possible causes of driver failure that it's impossible to definitively say what caused it without seeing it. It's entirely possible that the driver was on its way out before it even got to that gig. Speakers do wear out after time like any mechanical device. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members takeout Posted August 10, 2005 Author Members Share Posted August 10, 2005 Originally posted by L. Ron Hoover Conjecture! This probably wasn't the root cause, especially since Takeout said everything was nice and clean. There are so many possible causes of driver failure that it's impossible to definitively say what caused it without seeing it. It's entirely possible that the driver was on its way out before it even got to that gig. Speakers do wear out after time like any mechanical device. That and the fact that I've seen an 800RB drive two(!) Ampeg 8x10s without anything failing like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members L. Ron Hoover Posted August 10, 2005 Members Share Posted August 10, 2005 Originally posted by takeout That and the fact that I've seen an 800RB drive two(!) Ampeg 8x10s without anything failing like this. Well, I wasn't going to get into that...... You could drive an 800rb into 100% clipping without worrying about blowing up anything with 2 810s connected. The amp would fail before the speakers would.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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