Members Sixgun77 Posted August 15, 2005 Members Share Posted August 15, 2005 The first post put me in such a state of infuration that I am unable to rationally reply to this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members i_wanna_les_paul Posted August 15, 2005 Members Share Posted August 15, 2005 I just don't like it that most people pronounce it incorrectly. Say it with me now... "G and L" Dustin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Zamfir Posted August 15, 2005 Members Share Posted August 15, 2005 Originally posted by i_wanna_les_paul I just don't like it that most people pronounce it incorrectly. Say it with me now... "G and L" Dustin ...GUL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members niomosy Posted August 15, 2005 Members Share Posted August 15, 2005 Originally posted by mlwarriner i never figured out how/where/when it all started, but there was this huge flame war thread all about sadowsky basses. people complaining that they were too pricey, other people swearing by them, etc. someone popped of with something about them being built from warmoth and stewmac parts and it was on like donkey kong from there... i actually spent like 40 minutes one day reading the entire thread. it was hilarious... Then go jump into the Amp forum and complain about how much of a pain tube amps are compared to ss or hybrids for fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members L. Ron Hoover Posted August 15, 2005 Members Share Posted August 15, 2005 Well, seeing that we're happily bashing Fender, we might as well add Talkbass to the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members el_duderino676 Posted August 15, 2005 Members Share Posted August 15, 2005 another thing about fender that pisses me off is that over fifty years, they haven't came up with anything totally new. WTF? All of their basses are fundamentally the same and they all suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bassguy Posted August 15, 2005 Author Members Share Posted August 15, 2005 Originally posted by el_duderino676 another thing about fender that pisses me off is that over fifty years, they haven't came up with anything totally new. WTF? All of their basses are fundamentally the same and they all suck. its true, they rely on the name fender, and just because it says fender, its cool right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members L. Ron Hoover Posted August 15, 2005 Members Share Posted August 15, 2005 Originally posted by el_duderino676 another thing about fender that pisses me off is that over fifty years, they haven't came up with anything totally new. WTF? All of their basses are fundamentally the same and they all suck. So what? They sell loads of them, always have. Why would they be motivated to change such successful products? I felt the same way about Fender for years, then one day I picked up a Jazz bass and it suddenly made sense........ It might happen to you one day.... I do wish they'd improve their QC, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members el_duderino676 Posted August 15, 2005 Members Share Posted August 15, 2005 Originally posted by L. Ron Hoover So what? They sell loads of them, always have. Why would they be motivated to change such successful products? I felt the same way about Fender for years, then one day I picked up a Jazz bass and it suddenly made sense........ It might happen to you one day.... I do wish they'd improve their QC, though. I don't mean that what they have is wrong (even though they do suck), what I'm saying is that they need to realize that there are players out there that want more than just two tones. If they would just create something totally different, it would be good, but they can't do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zachoff Posted August 15, 2005 Members Share Posted August 15, 2005 Originally posted by el_duderino676 I don't mean that what they have is wrong (even though they do suck), what I'm saying is that they need to realize that there are players out there that want more than just two tones. If they would just create something totally different, it would be good, but they can't do that. I'm sure they do realize that there are players that desire more than two tones... They also realize that the P tone and the Jazz tone is what the other 80% of players are looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members L. Ron Hoover Posted August 15, 2005 Members Share Posted August 15, 2005 Originally posted by el_duderino676 I don't mean that what they have is wrong (even though they do suck), what I'm saying is that they need to realize that there are players out there that want more than just two tones. If they would just create something totally different, it would be good, but they can't do that. "Suck" is extremely subjective. Again, they don't really have any strong motivation to change much because their existing products sell so well. It doesn't make business sense to spend a bunch of money on R&D (etc.) for totally new products when the old ones are still selling... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members el_duderino676 Posted August 15, 2005 Members Share Posted August 15, 2005 Originally posted by L. Ron Hoover "Suck" is extremely subjective. Again, they don't really have any strong motivation to change much because their existing products sell so well. It doesn't make business sense to spend a bunch of money on R&D (etc.) for totally new products when the old ones are still selling... And the reason that they sell so well is because of the uninformed people out there that just buy fenders becauser "well, it says fender on the headstock, so it MUST be good." I took a look at a bass that my uncle has, it seemed to be in good condition, but at closer inspection, I realized it was an early Fender Squier series bass. It played decently, but it wasn't stellar. I got the same tone and same playability from a brand new MIA fender, and the MIK one didn't even cost a fourth of the price of the MIA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zachoff Posted August 15, 2005 Members Share Posted August 15, 2005 The early Squiers were made in Japan & rivaled the MIA stuff of the time. Really, man. Cruise on down to a local GC and play every Fender in there and I'm sure you'll find at least one that will break your prejudice. It is very true that their QC is in a steady decline but they do get it right and when they get it right it's o-so-tasty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members el_duderino676 Posted August 15, 2005 Members Share Posted August 15, 2005 Originally posted by zachoff The early Squiers were made in Japan & rivaled the MIA stuff of the time. Really, man. Cruise on down to a local GC and play every Fender in there and I'm sure you'll find at least one that will break your prejudice. It is very true that their QC is in a steady decline but they do get it right and when they get it right it's o-so-tasty. you know, I would cruise down to my local GC, but guess what, there isn't one of those withing 150 miles of me! The stores around me always have the exact same basses that were in there the last time I went in, and they sucked then, so why shouldn't they suck now? I played one of those 24 fret Jazz basses and I wasn't impressed. I got a godawful hum from it no matter how much I adjusted the electronics. And it didn't even play that nicely even because the neck had too much relief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ARES Posted August 15, 2005 Members Share Posted August 15, 2005 Originally posted by zachoff It is very true that their QC is in a steady decline but they do get it right and when they get it right it's o-so-tasty. TRUTH. the most amazing bass i ever played was a 78 jazz bass, last year at gc hollywood. i don't even look at basses that cost over $2,000 because i think that's a waste, but i almost plunked down $2,800 for that baby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bbl Posted August 15, 2005 Members Share Posted August 15, 2005 Originally posted by el_duderino676 And the reason that they sell so well is because of the uninformed people out there that just buy fenders becauser "well, it says fender on the headstock, so it MUST be good." I took a look at a bass that my uncle has, it seemed to be in good condition, but at closer inspection, I realized it was an early Fender Squier series bass. It played decently, but it wasn't stellar. I got the same tone and same playability from a brand new MIA fender, and the MIK one didn't even cost a fourth of the price of the MIA. Are you saying the pros out there and players here who bought Fenders did so because they were uninformed? OK, you think Fenders suck. Great. Don't buy one. Buy another bass. Now stop whining, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members el_duderino676 Posted August 15, 2005 Members Share Posted August 15, 2005 Originally posted by bbl Are you saying the pros out there and players here who bought Fenders did so because they were uninformed? OK, you think Fenders suck. Great. Don't buy one. Buy another bass. Now stop whining, please. You actually think that the Fenders that the pros play are the same as the ones you pick up in a local store? I don''t think so. The artists get the creame of the crop basses and this is encouraged by Fender because they know that if they can fool people by putting top notch instruments in the hands of pros with their name on it, they can fool the normal consumer into buying one of their poorer quality basses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bbl Posted August 16, 2005 Members Share Posted August 16, 2005 Originally posted by el_duderino676 You actually think that the Fenders that the pros play are the same as the ones you pick up in a local store? I don''t think so. The artists get the creame of the crop basses and this is encouraged by Fender because they know that if they can fool people by putting top notch instruments in the hands of pros with their name on it, they can fool the normal consumer into buying one of their poorer quality basses. And how is Yamaha different? Again, are you saying that everyone here who bought a Fender did so because they were uninformed (or fooled)? Yamaha makes crap, too. I don't really care what you answer is, actually. You don't like Fender. You don't have to buy one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members el_duderino676 Posted August 16, 2005 Members Share Posted August 16, 2005 Originally posted by bbl And how is Yamaha different?Again, are you saying that everyone here who bought a Fender did so because they were uninformed (or fooled)? Yamaha makes crap, too.I don't really care what you answer is, actually. You don't like Fender. You don't have to buy one. The difference between Yamaha and Fender is that Yamahas actually sound and play good. Fenders don't. And since not everyone knows this there aren't a million people scrambling to get a vintage Yamaha, which is why you can get a good vintage Yamaha for not much $$$. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members frunobulax Posted August 16, 2005 Members Share Posted August 16, 2005 this thread is as {censored}ing stupid as the original one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bassguy Posted August 16, 2005 Author Members Share Posted August 16, 2005 Originally posted by el_duderino676 The difference between Yamaha and Fender is that Yamahas actually sound and play good. Fenders don't. And since not everyone knows this there aren't a million people scrambling to get a vintage Yamaha, which is why you can get a good vintage Yamaha for not much $$$. agreed....i bought my bb605 for 759 on sale from 900$ canadian and to get the sound like that from a fender id have to spend 1500$+ yammys are cheeper, better sounding, and have better quality controll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members el_duderino676 Posted August 16, 2005 Members Share Posted August 16, 2005 Originally posted by bassguy agreed....i bought my bb605 for 759 on sale from 900$ canadianand to get the sound like that from a fender id have to spend 1500$+yammys are cheeper, better sounding, and have better quality controll "high-five" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members L. Ron Hoover Posted August 16, 2005 Members Share Posted August 16, 2005 Originally posted by el_duderino676 The difference between Yamaha and Fender is that Yamahas actually sound and play good. Fenders don't. And since not everyone knows this there aren't a million people scrambling to get a vintage Yamaha, which is why you can get a good vintage Yamaha for not much $$$. What you're totally missing is that this is extremely subjective. I haven't picked up a Yamaha that I liked the sound or feel of yet. Does that mean that all Yamahas suck in a literal sense? Nah, it just means I don't dig them. I'm certainly not uninformed or brainwashed by Fender and I can afford to play whatever basses I want, but I keep coming back to my Jazz and my SR5 (which are both Fenders in some sense). Lots of pros play stock Fenders. I know several. They may be set up better than the examples in GC or the local mom and pop, but the instruments are often stock MIA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members Ender_rpm Posted August 16, 2005 Members Share Posted August 16, 2005 I like my G&L. Haven't been too impressed with the MIAs I've played, but the MIMs are a pretty good value for the money, especially the "higher end" ones (Geddy Lee, Active Deluxe, Aerodyne). Play what you like, and don;t worry so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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