Members Kelemvor Posted August 22, 2005 Members Share Posted August 22, 2005 .. when you can use a couple of these!! One of my good friends bought two of these at Guitar center a few days ago-- slightly used--for 500 dollars. I went over to his house yesterday and plugged up my SWR Bass750 in to them and.... They have a built in crossover, 2x15s, and a horn. I examined them and you could barely tell they were used, the carpet and grill were clean, the corner protectors weren't even scuffed. I was impressed, to say the least. The output with my amp blew away my Goliath III. Of course, 4x15s is a lot more square inches of speaker vs. 4x10s. However, 500 dollars seems like a much better bang for the buck compared to the price of a two Goliaths or a Goliath and a SoB/Big ben. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members der oxenrig Posted August 22, 2005 Members Share Posted August 22, 2005 So... when are you going to give me your Sunn 4x15? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kelemvor Posted August 22, 2005 Author Members Share Posted August 22, 2005 If you can drive down to GA and pick up a 150 lbs monstrosity and have some good gear or some cash in your hand, we'll trade. Oh I might add that the Sunn cab can't compare to the JBLs... I think the sunn is rated at around 200 or 300 RMS and the two JBLs were around 1000 RMS. I still like the Sunn though, I'm not sure what it would take for me to get rid of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cortfan Posted August 22, 2005 Members Share Posted August 22, 2005 Are those the JR or TR series? We have the TR series. Pretty good cheap cabs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sixgun77 Posted August 22, 2005 Members Share Posted August 22, 2005 A pair of those are what my brother has for running PA. We use 'em for practice PA too. While I was waiting to have my cab built I used my rig through the one that had the blown horn. It's been fixed since then, but it sounded awesome for bass without the horn. Oh wait, bass always sounds great through 2 15's with no horns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Darkstorm Posted August 22, 2005 Members Share Posted August 22, 2005 Very kewl. JBL cabs is certainly one of the best brands out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members renniw Posted August 22, 2005 Members Share Posted August 22, 2005 Looks like my cab, JBL SF-25, hooked to a SVT4-pro and a peavey GV bass... killer rig.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members johnp352 Posted August 22, 2005 Members Share Posted August 22, 2005 why not eliminate the middleman and just plug into the PA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted August 22, 2005 CMS Author Share Posted August 22, 2005 Originally posted by johnp352 why not eliminate the middleman and just plug into the PA? Exactly. I can use my Ampeg bass amp, or save myself the hassle of moving it and just use the GT-6B into the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Emprov Posted August 22, 2005 Members Share Posted August 22, 2005 Originally posted by johnp352 why not eliminate the middleman and just plug into the PA? Unless you're the guy carting around the PA, it's not always guarantee'd that there'll be one to plug into. Whenever possible, I'll go into the PA but I don't think that I'll ever be completely without amp, at least as a back up. Besides, it's pretty rare that you'll play through a PA that has the same 'tude as a nice rig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members johnp352 Posted August 22, 2005 Members Share Posted August 22, 2005 Originally posted by Emprov Unless you're the guy carting around the PA, it's not always guarantee'd that there'll be one to plug into. Whenever possible, I'll go into the PA but I don't think that I'll ever be completely without amp, at least as a back up. Besides, it's pretty rare that you'll play through a PA that has the same 'tude as a nice rig. i am thinking about starting a thread here..in 2005, playing at even a semi pro level..assuming not a coffeehouse gig, but a band thing with drums and keyboards and maybe turntables etc ..and acoustic instruments as well (that's my case.bass/tables/drums/saxophone)..people always hear you through a PA..now whether that PA is any good..has a good soundperson (if not your own..even WITH your own..) is not the question..because in the back of the room..it's the PA, not your stage amp. there's always the exception of mic'ing your amp..like a guitar player mic's his 1x8 champ because he loves it..but aside from that..in the above situation..if your bass rig is too loud /stage volume too up..the first thing a sound guy does is take you out of the mix..and you don't want that..I think i will start a thread.., want to join in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted August 22, 2005 CMS Author Share Posted August 22, 2005 Originally posted by Emprov Unless you're the guy carting around the PA, it's not always guarantee'd that there'll be one to plug into. Whenever possible, I'll go into the PA but I don't think that I'll ever be completely without amp, at least as a back up. Besides, it's pretty rare that you'll play through a PA that has the same 'tude as a nice rig. The PA isn't supposed to have 'tude. You provide it the right signal, be it DI, mic, or both, and it should reproduce it accurately. There are plenty of ways to get incredible tone with only a few (or no) watts, so the options are open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Emprov Posted August 22, 2005 Members Share Posted August 22, 2005 Originally posted by johnp352 ...in the above situation..if your bass rig is too loud /stage volume too up..the first thing a sound guy does is take you out of the mix..and you don't want that..I think i will start a thread.., want to join in? In an ideal situation (IMO), you'll be running your bass directly into the system sans-amp via DI. I usually use a plain old $10 ebay box and they work great! No amps and, with IEM's, no stage montiors, no stage sound. It takes a lot of trust in your sound guy but, in the end if he knows his stuff, great sound should be the result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members johnp352 Posted August 22, 2005 Members Share Posted August 22, 2005 Originally posted by Emprov In an ideal situation (IMO), you'll be running your bass directly into the system sans-amp via DI. I usually use a plain old $10 ebay box and they work great! No amps and, with IEM's, no stage montiors, no stage sound. It takes a lot of trust in your sound guy but, in the end if he knows his stuff, great sound should be the result. Agreed..except for maybe the IEM part..I tried and tried..to the point of experimenting with different buds/etc..and checking out the platform w/transducer thing to feel what I was missing..and surely, that's what is going on now at the peak pro level..and it will filter down eventually..but the cost right now is too much for me..and onstage monitors are in every real PA..usually with either an onstage mixer or at least foldback controlled from the mains.. as an aside..ever ask the turntablist about his onstage amp..or the saxophone player.. Pino Pallidino summed it up best over TEN years ago...when asked about the "best amp" he had used..something like.."when I slip the onstage monitor guy an extra $20 to turn me up in the sidefills.." and that was over 10 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Emprov Posted August 22, 2005 Members Share Posted August 22, 2005 Originally posted by johnp352 Agreed..except for maybe the IEM part..I tried and tried..to the point of experimenting with different buds/etc..and checking out the platform w/transducer thing to feel what I was missing..and surely, that's what is going on now at the peak pro level..and it will filter down eventually.. On a band level, it's actually not that bad cost wise. I use a set of Shure E-2's and they seem to work out ok. I'm using just the foam inserts right now, one day I gotta get some molds done. Anyway, it takes some getting used to but the benefits are huge. And ya, the feel thing is a tough hurdle to get over. I've heard of buttkickers and stuff like that being used but I've never tried them. BTW, cool Pino quote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members johnp352 Posted August 22, 2005 Members Share Posted August 22, 2005 Originally posted by Emprov On a band level, it's actually not that bad cost wise. I use a set of Shure E-2's and they seem to work out ok. I'm using just the foam inserts right now, one day I gotta get some molds done. Anyway, it takes some getting used to but the benefits are huge. And ya, the feel thing is a tough hurdle to get over. I've heard of buttkickers and stuff like that being used but I've never tried them. BTW, cool Pino quote. I have auditioned the system that bolts a transducer to a platform that you stand on..i could have stayed there all day..but it was impractical $$-wise for all but big audio touring companies..a lot of big "country" stars have them. why... I have no idea..you'd think Family Man should have one. It's similiar to the effect of playing in a smal club, when the subs are actually on the same wood as the stage..or sort of like standing on an svt cab..which was a lot of fun in 1980.. As far as the Pino quote..sting had a good one too..as in, when some mag asked him about what kind of "stringsbassampetc" he used..he replied "..I dunnknow..who gives a {censored}..I mean who cares what kind of paint brush Rembrandt used"..close enough to get the idea.. which shows me 2 things- 1) does Sting think he's Rembrandt? 2) if you think about this forum and talkbass..apparently that's ALL a lot of people think about..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members der oxenrig Posted August 22, 2005 Members Share Posted August 22, 2005 I don't care, if i'm gonna be run through a PA, i'm going to be miced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted August 22, 2005 CMS Author Share Posted August 22, 2005 Originally posted by The Ox I don't care, if i'm gonna be run through a PA, i'm going to be miced. What if you're gonna be run throught a wood chipper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Emprov Posted August 22, 2005 Members Share Posted August 22, 2005 Originally posted by johnp352 I have auditioned the system that bolts a transducer to a platform that you stand on..i could have stayed there all day..but it was impractical $$-wise for all but big audio touring companies..a lot of big "country" stars have them. why... I have no idea..you'd think Family Man should have one. You know, I've been using IEM's for about two years now and I can hear well enough without a platform. Don't forget that there are also subs that will allow you to feel the bass if you need to. I suppose that platforms would be ultra cool but I've been doing ok without them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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