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Ampeg B2 vs Behringer BX4500H

Casper Cliche

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syciprider Newbie

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Ampeg may be the shiznitz with tube amps but my only experience with their B series solid state was very disappointing. My combo start buzzing loudly after 1 week of use.

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sunburstbasser Newbie

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100 watts isn't a lot, and Behringer watts aren't a lot either. I doubt you'll see much gain in overall clean volume, and certainly no gain in maximum volume.

 

If you want cheap, buy yourself a poweramp, and then run the preamp out of your Ampeg into it. This should work. That way, you get the tone of your current amp and as much power as you can afford. Using seperate pre/power amps may work better for this though.

 

A used GK 700RB can be found around $300. GK watts are actually pretty loud, and I think the 700RB is rated at over 400. Check ebay, I guess!

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Originally posted by syciprider



A watt is a standard unit of measure. There are no special Ampeg watts or GK watts or Sony watts.

 

 

Manufacturers rate and test the power output of their amps differently. Some are more honest and give the RMS, while some will give the peak output. That why most people on the forum have coined that term.

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syciprider Newbie

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Coined watt term?

 

The way the SBB's post was worded, you'd think there were Behringer watts and GK watts and other watts.

 

If he meant that manufacturers use different methods to arrive at their amp's ratings then I understand that.

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spinedriver Newbie

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I'm kinda thinking about getting one of the BX4500's as well. I only have limited funds to spend, and although I'm sure SWR, Ampeg, etc.. are better quality (build wise), if you read the reviews here, they seem to be well worth the money.

http://www.harmony-central.com/Bass/Data/Behringer/BX3000T_Head-1.html

http://www.harmony-central.com/Bass/Data/Behringer/BX4500H_Head-1.html

(the 300 is the same as the 450, just more power) The reviews say that they're pretty loud, and sound-wise you probably won't find anything new that's that good for the price that it is. I'm just wondering if anyone has had issues with it because most of the reviews are only after they've had them for a month or 2.

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MageZ Newbie

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The Behringer bx4500h is not 450W at all. Look at the specs and you will see that max power consumption is 490w. If you look at specs of the bx3000h (previous 300W model) you will see the same number. Loks like the bx4500h is the old 300w model with new name on it. I wouldn't be surprised at all.

 

 

Another thing is, that the Ampeg B2-r/svt350h amps are not very loud.

 

 

if you need more power and volume and don't want to spend tons of money, look for something used. Stuff like Peavey Firebass, GK 700rb-II, Yorkville xs800h...

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no-logic Newbie

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I think you will find that 100 watts isn't going to do much for you in terms of volume. I run Ampeg B2 and B2R's for practice and live rig and have plenty of power. Make sure you have enough speaker area to project. That is key. Oh, and Behringer??? Stay away......far away. No comparison to Ampeg there. I've tried them. They get buried in the mix. An Ampeg won't. IMO.

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Casper Cliche Newbie

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Its somewhat a volume issue, but more that im running the B2 into 2 800 watt 4x10 cabs. I've been trying to figure out why im not getting a good sound out of it, and come to the conclusion that i think im just working the head way to hard. The peak and limiter lights are constantly on while i play and i only have it turned up to around 4(volume and gain at the same level). If you guys think i may be wrong let me know....i dont know nearly as much as i should when it comes to the technical stuff on bass, so im sure most of you know more than me.

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sunburstbasser Newbie

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Originally posted by Casper Cliche

Its somewhat a volume issue, but more that im running the B2 into 2 800 watt 4x10 cabs. I've been trying to figure out why im not getting a good sound out of it, and come to the conclusion that i think im just working the head way to hard. The peak and limiter lights are constantly on while i play and i only have it turned up to around 4(volume and gain at the same level). If you guys think i may be wrong let me know....i dont know nearly as much as i should when it comes to the technical stuff on bass, so im sure most of you know more than me.

 

 

If your having trouble driving that much speaker with your volumes on 4, something isn't right. Your cabs should total 400 watts or thereabouts together, so you should have enough juice to run them.

 

How much midrange do you use?

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Casper Cliche Newbie

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If memory serves correct my settings are as follows....

 

Volume-4

Gain-4

Bass-7

mid- 8

trebele- 6

 

I can turn it up more but i wind up getting a really muddy sound. It wont be too bad at first, but about 20 minutes into our set it just loses all its tone and sounds like crap. Keep in mind i play in a hardcore punk band with a VERY hard hitting drummer, and one guitar player that plays a marshall half stack, and another that has a mesa head, with a high end peavey cab. Also when we play live we play about 3 songs back to back without stoping....take a 20 second break for a drink, and go back into it...playing 15-18 songs a set.

 

**Im also playing a Peavey T-40 Bass if that makes any difference...

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jannda Newbie

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I have a behringer 450 and it's plenty loud almost to loud if thats possible not likely having played both berhinger models [300-450]I can say the 450 does have more power and having also played the ampeg can say the behringer is is the more powerful of the two and is also more versital sound wise the shape feture is realy nice.That being said I have also been inside both behringer amps and they are very well built very solid. but they are not the same amp. Your problem may be more speaker choice then amp choice as that has a lot to do with your sound [and volume] more speakers dosn't allways mean more volume. my set up right now is a behringer 450 with a peavey 115 and a 118 folded horn cab [but I like to play in the mud LOL] and it's really loud like I said almost to loud. I run my gain at about 3-4 and my output [master volume] at about 5 and my nabiors complain cuz Im to loud and thats inside my studio with double insalated walls. IF you get the behringer I don't think you will be disapointed it's a very versital amp [and no I don't work for behringer although I know this sounds like an add for them]LOL .I just like my amp .

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Casper Cliche Newbie

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Yeah i know....unfortunately right now the only money i can use on amps is what i can get from selling what i have. So I'm kinda limited. Although i messed around with the EQ today at practice and got a little better tone out of it....not at all what I would like to have....but better than it was.

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