Members Dark Slide Posted October 4, 2005 Members Posted October 4, 2005 Ok, So my band is working on it's new EP and we want to do some editing. We were looking for a few places with pro tools to do some editing and whatnot but then I started wondering if it was possible to put the main editing program of protools right on my computer without having all the multi track stuff too. Like... could I "buy" the program and put it on my computer... pop the DVDs in and do the editing myself, or... ? Am I missing something important that isn't going to let me do this?
Members greenshag Posted October 4, 2005 Members Posted October 4, 2005 I believe the answer is no, though I don't use pro-tools (for many different reasons of my own)....I do know that you cannot do this with cubase, adobe, sonar...
Members BoundandBlocked Posted October 4, 2005 Members Posted October 4, 2005 You should probably practice some first. You could change the brakes on a Volvo, that should really prepare you for pro-tools.
Members DerekDRP Posted October 4, 2005 Members Posted October 4, 2005 Originally posted by greenshag I believe the answer is no, though I don't use pro-tools (for many different reasons of my own)....I do know that you cannot do this with cubase, adobe, sonar... Adobe Audition 1.5 would be better then sonar. ( Used to be cool edit 1.0 ) but good luck,
Members DerekDRP Posted October 4, 2005 Members Posted October 4, 2005 Originally posted by BoundandBlocked You should probably practice some first. You could change the brakes on a Volvo, that should really prepare you for pro-tools. funny dude. Really funny. ( HAR HAR HAR )
Members BoundandBlocked Posted October 4, 2005 Members Posted October 4, 2005 Originally posted by DerekDRP funny dude. Really funny. ( HAR HAR HAR ) I couldn't resist.
Members greenshag Posted October 4, 2005 Members Posted October 4, 2005 if they are wav. files, you can pop them in any multi-track, or something like the waves editor...but you will have to re-create them, as they won't pull over where they are at in pro-tools (if this makes any sense)
Members gunslinger Posted October 4, 2005 Members Posted October 4, 2005 Was it recorded on Pro Tools? If so then the answer is yes...... If not try something like cool edit, Sonic Foundry.....
Members Dark Slide Posted October 4, 2005 Author Members Posted October 4, 2005 Hmmm... I guess I will have to get the DVDs and take a look at them. A lot of the editing just involves removing doubles triggers and whatnot from the bass drums... but there are a few things that are going to take some time I think.
Members WildPotato Posted October 4, 2005 Members Posted October 4, 2005 Unfortunately, you can't use ProTools without a Digi hardware interface hooked up. There is also a version of ProTools designed to work with certain M-Audio interfaces but the bottom line is that ProTools won't run unless you have the proper hardware to go with it. I don't know about any less than legal ways of getting it to run. You could buy an Mbox for maybe $400 - 500 or pick up a used one for around $200 or $250. If you get a used one make sure to fill out all the paperwork for transfer of ownership, Digidesign is pretty much the devil and will not support you in any way unless you can absolutely prove that you legally own the software. There are also used Digi 001s out there for pretty cheap. There are also software applications that can convert ProTools sessions to pretty much any other major platform.
Members Dark Slide Posted October 4, 2005 Author Members Posted October 4, 2005 Originally posted by gunslinger What was it recorded on? It was recorded with Pro-Tools. There are some parts that have some serious editing that needs to be done... and I was looking for a way to do it that wouldn't cost me $50 an hour or more.
Members Exocaster Posted October 4, 2005 Members Posted October 4, 2005 Originally posted by Dark Slide It was recorded with Pro-Tools. There are some parts that have some serious editing that needs to be done... and I was looking for a way to do it that wouldn't cost me $50 an hour or more. Used MBox. The MBox comes with a fully functional demo (30 day trial) for Sound Replacer, which is a sample-trigger plugin. I found editing audio in Pro Tools to be fairly intuitive. Digi has a bunch of cool plugins for free on their web site, too- various Bomb Factory stuff and the new EQ III, which is an excellent 7-band parametric.
Members SteveyDevey Posted October 4, 2005 Members Posted October 4, 2005 Ok, there seems to be some confusion here... You want to edit some songs. What format are they in right now? Just on a DVD, or do you have all of the individual tracks, or even the session files from ProTools? If you only have a DVD (or some version of the audio that's already mixed), you can only edit it as a whole. You can't edit individual tracks if you don't have them as separate tracks. If you have it as one single source of sound, you can still edit it, you just don't get as much control. You could do this in Adobe Audition (which used to be Cool Edit Pro 2.0, for what it's worth, not Cool Edit 1.0), Audacity, Soundforge, or any other sound-editing program. If you've got it all of your audio tracks in separate files, but no ProTools sessions, you can still use anything to edit the files, but out of the as far as I know, neither audacity nor soundforge can do any multi-track mixing. If you've got protools sessions of things, you must have hardware to go with the software. They've recently released a version of ProTools that runs on non-digidesign stuff though. It's called M-Powered, and will run an Audiophile 2496's (around/under $100) and others. I'm not sure how compatible the different version of ProTools are with each other though (M-Powered for M-Audio stuff, LE for average users, and TDM systems for studios). One difference between the versions is the amount of tracks you can use at a time. I'm not sure about concrete numbers though, so you'll have to check their site and forum for more info. I think MP can do 32 tracks at a time, LE: 64 or 128, and TDM: much more... So, does this clear anything up?
Members gunslinger Posted October 5, 2005 Members Posted October 5, 2005 If he already has the tracks recorded in pro tools, and isnt planning on rerecording anything, just editing, he doesnt need the hardware....just the software.
Members Cldplytkmn Posted October 5, 2005 Members Posted October 5, 2005 protools software will have to detect pro-tools compatible hardware before it even starts up... so yes, to work in protools, regardless of what you're doing with it, you need some kind of compatible hardware to start the program.
Members der oxenrig Posted October 5, 2005 Members Posted October 5, 2005 Originally posted by DerekDRP funny dude. Really funny. ( HAR HAR HAR ) Actually, it WAS very funny. :D
Members Dark Slide Posted October 5, 2005 Author Members Posted October 5, 2005 Originally posted by SteveyDevey Ok, there seems to be some confusion here... You want to edit some songs. What format are they in right now? Just on a DVD, or do you have all of the individual tracks, or even the session files from ProTools? If you only have a DVD (or some version of the audio that's already mixed), you can only edit it as a whole. You can't edit individual tracks if you don't have them as separate tracks. If you have it as one single source of sound, you can still edit it, you just don't get as much control. You could do this in Adobe Audition (which used to be Cool Edit Pro 2.0, for what it's worth, not Cool Edit 1.0), Audacity, Soundforge, or any other sound-editing program. If you've got it all of your audio tracks in separate files, but no ProTools sessions, you can still use anything to edit the files, but out of the as far as I know, neither audacity nor soundforge can do any multi-track mixing. If you've got protools sessions of things, you must have hardware to go with the software. They've recently released a version of ProTools that runs on non-digidesign stuff though. It's called M-Powered, and will run an Audiophile 2496's (around/under $100) and others. I'm not sure how compatible the different version of ProTools are with each other though (M-Powered for M-Audio stuff, LE for average users, and TDM systems for studios). One difference between the versions is the amount of tracks you can use at a time. I'm not sure about concrete numbers though, so you'll have to check their site and forum for more info. I think MP can do 32 tracks at a time, LE: 64 or 128, and TDM: much more... So, does this clear anything up? I appreciate the feedback, but I am wondering now if I was completely making myself sound as clueless as your response made me seem Right now the pro-tool tracks are all on DVD as seperate tracks as far as I know (I haven't had the chance to check the DVD out as it is at my bassplayers house). When we called the studio we told them that we wanted the DVD for editing and whatnot... so they had BETTER have given us editable tracks If I can get the individual tracks for editing I should be ok for the most part... though I will have to find something that can handle multi-tracks so I can edit and make sure everything lines up right. If it turns into a huge hassle I will just take it back to the studio to edit... but the guy we're working with is Grammy nominated and doesn't come cheap.
Members SteveyDevey Posted October 5, 2005 Members Posted October 5, 2005 Originally posted by Dark Slide I appreciate the feedback, but I am wondering now if I was completely making myself sound as clueless as your response made me seem Right now the pro-tool tracks are all on DVD as seperate tracks as far as I know (I haven't had the chance to check the DVD out as it is at my bassplayers house). When we called the studio we told them that we wanted the DVD for editing and whatnot... so they had BETTER have given us editable tracks If I can get the individual tracks for editing I should be ok for the most part... though I will have to find something that can handle multi-tracks so I can edit and make sure everything lines up right. If it turns into a huge hassle I will just take it back to the studio to edit... but the guy we're working with is Grammy nominated and doesn't come cheap. I didn't mean to make you feel like you sounded clueless, you just didn't provide a ton of info. By 'DVD', I thought you meant a video disc of your band. If you've got the files, and the PT sessions, having an interface like an M-Box, or possibly even an Audiophile 2496, could be the ticket to getting into ProTools yourself, and editing to your hearts desire. It would probably be cheaper than a day with your expensive guy, and you would get to keep the hardware and software for later.
Members Zeromus-X Posted October 5, 2005 Members Posted October 5, 2005 1. If the guy's grammy nominated and you're only getting charged $50/hr, that's {censored}ing awesome. 2. I'm sure there's some point during the day that the studio time isn't rented out. If you let him know you just want to come in and edit some stuff yourself, I'm sure he'd be more than willing to let you, provided you can show that you at least know some of what you're doing and that he won't be walking you through it. 3. We recorded Starfront's last disc with ProTools at a local studio, and also asked for the files before they mixed down so that we could edit them and change some things around, add samples, etc. without having to pay for studio time in the process. He burned us a DVD and it had every song, track-by-track. Keep in mind that these files are *huge*, and unless you've got a good amount of memory in your system they're either going to slow it down to a crawl or not work at all. Consider that it's basically a completely uncompressed wav of the entire track. If you assume it's five minutes long, consider you're dealing with an ~80 meg file.
Members MrJoshua Posted October 5, 2005 Members Posted October 5, 2005 Also, you might want to check on compatibility. Chances are this was a ProTools TDM (or HD or whatever they call it) system, while home systems are ProTools LE. The sessions might not be totally compatible.
Members Zeromus-X Posted October 5, 2005 Members Posted October 5, 2005 He wouldn't even need to edit the sessions, just the PCM or WAV data. Just make damn sure you don't change the length of the file itself; I don't know what will happen with the sessions if that's done.
Members Melville Posted October 5, 2005 Members Posted October 5, 2005 Originally posted by gunslinger If he already has the tracks recorded in pro tools, and isnt planning on rerecording anything, just editing, he doesnt need the hardware....just the software. The Pro Tools software is all that is needed to edit audio files. However, in order to hear those files, and what you're doing to them, you're going to need a D/A convertor that Pro Tools will recognize as it's audio output. To my knowledge, the only version of Pro Tools that works by playing through your sound card is Pro Tools free, which is limited to 8 tracks, and I'm not even sure if they still have it on their site anymore. My advice is to either go into the studio and edit it yourself (you'll probably still get charged an hourly use fee, but if you do it in the middle of the night you may be able to get it cheaper) or to buy one of Digidesign's home studio bundles, the MBox or 002 for example, and use that to edit now, and record later.
Members scarecrowbob Posted October 5, 2005 Members Posted October 5, 2005 If you are just editng MIDI, could you get a rough mix and the MIDI tracks exported to some app that you have, and then just send back the MIDI stuff when the guy does his audio mix?
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