Members Benjamin Posted October 19, 2005 Members Share Posted October 19, 2005 I have sourced a 50W 5" mid-high and crossover. Will be giving that a try tonight, see how it goes in my 4x10. Certainly going to look interesting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rovito Posted October 19, 2005 Members Share Posted October 19, 2005 Do tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hammer744 Posted October 20, 2005 Members Share Posted October 20, 2005 I would expect it to be less harsh, more smoother highs, wouldn't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rovito Posted October 20, 2005 Members Share Posted October 20, 2005 Now that I think of it I used to have an old ADA cab with 2x10s and 2x5s that was pretty decent sounding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Benjamin Posted October 20, 2005 Author Members Share Posted October 20, 2005 I am hoping it is smoother. The crappy Motorola Piezo horn I had in there was fairly harsh. I like the sound I have now, but I am pushing the EQ too hard up top and the DI signal is suffering because of it. Let you all know soon, tonight hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members burdizzos Posted October 20, 2005 Members Share Posted October 20, 2005 That's a great idea! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Benjamin Posted October 20, 2005 Author Members Share Posted October 20, 2005 Originally posted by burdizzos That's a great idea! I can't take credit for it, because it was done some time ago in here. I inquired a few weeks ago about it, but received no answers so I am taking credit for it now When you think about it, it makes perfect sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members timmerz Posted October 20, 2005 Members Share Posted October 20, 2005 What 4x10 cab are you modding, Ben? Must have quite a bit of room in the center to fit a 5" in there, eh?Be interesting to see what you think of the new sound...you decided not to keep the same x-over, then? Dropping the x-over point a bit, I'd guess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bnyswonger Posted October 20, 2005 Members Share Posted October 20, 2005 I predict it will be a huge improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Benjamin Posted October 20, 2005 Author Members Share Posted October 20, 2005 I will experiment with the crossover, for sure, as it is I am expecting a much nicer midrange. The cab itself is based on a Trace Elliot pattern I believe. For a 4x10 it has a massive set of lows when I let it have it. Not running it with the Peavey and rackmount compressor etc anymore, thankfully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members timmerz Posted October 20, 2005 Members Share Posted October 20, 2005 Oh {censored} yes, you've got planty of extra room to work with there in the center...So that tweeter was sounding too harsh for you, then? You're looking for a smoother top end with a little more high-mids as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Benjamin Posted October 20, 2005 Author Members Share Posted October 20, 2005 The horn was giving a harsh clipping sound. I suspect it was also affecting the travel of the 10s, if that is possible. At higher loads the crossover was failing. I don't know what the 5" mid-high will do for mids. I am guessing the highs will be glassier and I will be able to dial in a nice amount of grind without it being horrible. It is a large cabinet for a 4x10, I haven't really needed anything more. If I can find another amp that will take 2ohm load, then I will build another identical cab.... Unless I have four of these made up and run them in dual-parallel-series.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Benjamin Posted October 21, 2005 Author Members Share Posted October 21, 2005 Grumph Grumble... only wire I had was too thick... crappy soldering iron too hot... dropped soldering iron and burnt leg... Grumph Grumble... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members burdizzos Posted October 22, 2005 Members Share Posted October 22, 2005 Well, how did it turn out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members burdizzos Posted October 22, 2005 Members Share Posted October 22, 2005 ' alt='>'> Tricked out Avatar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Apendecto Posted October 22, 2005 Members Share Posted October 22, 2005 How does the Avatar trick out work? Won't the 5 inch speaker lower the impedence of the cab? What did you have to do? Yo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bassmaniac Posted October 22, 2005 Members Share Posted October 22, 2005 I wish all the speaker cab companies would opt for the small 4 to 6 " mid/high speaker instead of those stupid tweeters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members burdizzos Posted October 22, 2005 Members Share Posted October 22, 2005 Originally posted by Apendecto How does the Avatar trick out work?Won't the 5 inch speaker lower the impedence of the cab? What did you have to do?Yo. Use a crossover and the cab impedance is unchanged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Benjamin Posted October 23, 2005 Author Members Share Posted October 23, 2005 OK, it turned out.... pretty feckin' awesome!! At first I wired it out of phase accidentally. The "Chengwah" speaker was devoid of polarity labels, result was a little thin and crispy midrange and highs. Second time was much better. The crossover could be a touch lower, but won't know until I crank it hard and see how it works. The mids are much smoother and well defined now, with a good bite and grind. The highs are clear as a bell. I actually have just as much, if not more high-highs dialled in because it is glassier. +1 why don't manufacturers do this instead? The cost difference was positive for my wallet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Darkstorm Posted October 23, 2005 Members Share Posted October 23, 2005 Kewl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members timmerz Posted October 23, 2005 Members Share Posted October 23, 2005 That's super, Benjamin! Great project.Do you think the rms-handling factor for the overall cab was affected by your mod at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Zooberwerx Posted October 23, 2005 Members Share Posted October 23, 2005 As you've probably already discovered, the 5" midrange driver makes a ton of difference. Acme has been using the 5" and tweeter (both with attenuators) in the 4 X 10s for years. Enjoy! Riis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Benjamin Posted October 24, 2005 Author Members Share Posted October 24, 2005 It doesn't appear as though anything has changed power wise, and from what I have read, it shouldn't. I can't wait for practice tomorrow night to really crank it. I'll take some pictures then also and post those up. It looks really good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members johng Posted October 24, 2005 Members Share Posted October 24, 2005 Did you build some sort of box behind the 5" to keep it from acting like a little passive radiator? I picked up a couple of mids at Parts Express that might work good in that application and seeing as how I now need a real cab........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Benjamin Posted October 24, 2005 Author Members Share Posted October 24, 2005 I thought about that when I went looking. Thankfully the 5" driver was fully enclosed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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