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Originally posted by tenyearsgone


Possibility but HIGHLY unlikely. Any Christian knows to not marry one who is "unequally yoked". In other words, you don't marry an unbeliever, period. I have yet to see the day that a Christian marrys an Atheist. It just doesn't happen.

 

 

Sure it does. I know three or four HAPPILY married couples where one is a Christian and the other is not. In fact my father in law was not a Christian until about 10 years into their marriage, in fact he was growin weed in their backyard, and drank alot, now he's turned around. Don't say that it doesn't happen, cause it does, and it works quite well sometimes too

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Originally posted by Mudbass

You should read the Bible, it's pretty interesting...well, once you get through the Book of Genesis anyway (all those "begats" put me to sleep). There's stuff in there that'll have you really scratching your head.

 

 

Yeah, and then all the laws. but yeah, the OT is just brutal. Judges especially.

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Originally posted by PrestiaRules



this is why I come to you with history/translation related questions...and history was my minor in university...makes me feel shame....


MIJ basses rule!

 

 

Yes...yes they do...

 

As for me, I'm now in my 10th year of studying history, I ought to be decent at it by now :D

 

 

 

 

As for the idea of a Christian that doesn't believe Christ is God, you can call yourself whatever you want, but that word means "Little Christ", and explicitly refers to an acceptance of Christ as God...Using it in conjunction with the idea that Christ is not God is just misuing language...

 

I can can myself a refridgerator, but I'm not going to do a good job of keeping your beer cold (and you don't even want to know where the crisper drawer is)...:D

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Originally posted by Super_Donut_Man



Sure it does. I know three or four HAPPILY married couples where one is a Christian and the other is not. In fact my father in law was not a Christian until about 10 years into their marriage, in fact he was growin weed in their backyard, and drank alot, now he's turned around. Don't say that it doesn't happen, cause it does, and it works quite well sometimes too

 

 

 

Indeed, there are those who don't read 2 Corinthians 6:14 as prohibiting marriage with unbelivers, though I think it pretty clearly does...However, from a purely pragmatic point of view (ignoring scripture) marrying someone who has a vastly different world view is likely to cause some issues...

 

Though the point you make is a very good one, when one member of a marriage becomes a Christian, it's not as if the "holy" thing to do is leave the marriage or something...There are specific biblical commands about winnning over your partner through your loving Christ like behavior, which includes (among other things) understanding them for who they are and where they are...

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Originally posted by RobRoy


Read "Mere Christianity" By C. S. Lewis to get a good understanding of how Christianity fits into Life, the Universe, and Everything.


The Bible is divided into two parts - 1) the revelation of God and his law in the Old testament; 2) The revelation of Gods plan for eternal salvation through the Death and Resurrection of Jesus the Christ - the New Testament.


Regarding the events, the flood happens in the first book of the Old Testament, thousands of years before the birth of Christ.

 

+3:thu:

 

the bible may not appear to be true but contains truths...

it teaches faith obedience and sacrifice..

the problem for many lie in the judeo concepts used to portray these to us

abraham..a gentile and a heathen

the davidic covenant

the sacrificial system in place at the time of the coming of the messiah and the roman prescence...all prophetically used and practically as well..

 

the old testament is the prophetic pointing towards an event to take place

the crucifiction/resurrection is the event

the remainder of the new testaments after the synoptic gospels and the gospel of john

are the acts..luke 2..of the disciples and then the letters and theology of paul with the lesser letters concurring..

the letters of paul were written before the gospels

several gospels are not included in the new testament corpus...being thought not apostolic in nature..

 

RobRoy i like you

 

:thu:

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Originally posted by Super_Donut_Man



Man, first quote, Ezekiel 4:12. That bread must have tasted pretty crappy:D .
man I kill myself

 

 

 

It means the fire is fueled by dung, one of the primary fuels of the ancient world...How is this an "absurdity"?

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Originally posted by tom_s252



It is widely accepted, at least amongst European scholars, that the Ark is a myth

 

 

You know of some American academics that are claiming the Ark narrative is a literal truth? :confused:

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Originally posted by King Kashue




It means the fire is fueled by dung, one of the primary fuels of the ancient world...How is this an "absurdity"?

 

If you are talkin about my comment:

Not an absurdity, just a stupid joke hence the :D at the end of the sentence

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Originally posted by Super_Donut_Man

Man, first quote, Ezekiel 4:12. That bread must have tasted pretty crappy:D .
man I kill myself
I'll be here all week. Don't forget to tip your waitresses.

 

anything taken out of context becomes a pretext...

 

now if you read ezekiel you will see some pertinent issues related to the mans {censored} fire and the cow dung which replaced it..

ezekiel is under instruction and is being shown the type of consideration god has for a dissident and wayward people who prefer mans {censored} to the proper {censored}..:D

 

its allegorical and typology rolled into one

:cool:

 

 

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Originally posted by King Kashue




It means the fire is fueled by dung, one of the primary fuels of the ancient world...How is this an "absurdity"?

 

Fueled by dung? Talk about a {censored}ty idea :p:D

 

*runs*

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Originally posted by Super_Donut_Man



If you are talkin about my comment:

Not an absurdity, just a stupid joke hence the
:D
at the end of the sentence

 

 

 

No, that website has that section marked as an "absurdity" in their little classification system...

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Yep, the world sure has changed since Noah's time. People aren't just partying and having loose sex and not caring about each other. Yessir, things have really changed.

 

That's why we need Christ as an anchor and a church home to recharge And like minded Christians to be around to help get the load off.

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1st:

"His question was about Noah's Ark, not labels. What do you say we keep posts aimed at his question?" -Emprov

 

If you look at the origional question you will see that it says "inform me." So we are, well beyond his imagination.

 

2nd:

Atheist- One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.

 

Christian- To believe in Jesus as Christ the one true God.

 

**Thus, there can be no connection between an Atheist & Christian no matter how you try to re-word it.

 

Now if you are saying that you lived in a house with Christian values then that is a different story. THE LEADING CAUSE OF ATHEISM TODAY IS BY PEOPLE WHO CLAIM TO BE CHRISTIAN BUT AND THEN DO THINGS UNCHRISTIAN. THAT IS WHAT THE UNBELIEVING WORLD FINDS SO UNBELIEVABLE.

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Originally posted by Perfessor

Yep, the world sure has changed since Noah's time. People aren't just partying and having loose sex and not caring about each other. Yessir, things have really changed.


That's why we need Christ as an anchor and a church home to recharge And like minded Christians to be around to help get the load off.

 

Yup, and a lot of them claim to be Christian ;)

 

I think I'm doing a fine job as an atheist :p

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Originally posted by tietjen

1st:

"His question was about Noah's Ark, not labels. What do you say we keep posts aimed at his question?" -Emprov


If you look at the origional question you will see that it says "inform me." So we are, well beyond his imagination.


2nd:

Atheist- One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.


Christian- To believe in Jesus as Christ the one true God.


**Thus, there can be no connection between an Atheist & Christian no matter how you try to re-word it.


Now if you are saying that you lived in a house with Christian values then that is a different story. THE LEADING CAUSE OF ATHEISM TODAY IS BY PEOPLE WHO CLAIM TO BE CHRISTIAN BUT AND THEN DO THINGS UNCHRISTIAN. THAT IS WHAT THE UNBELIEVING WORLD FINDS SO UNBELIEVABLE.

You're ranting. You're practically foaming at the mouth.

:wave:

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Originally posted by tietjen

**Thus, there can be no connection between an Atheist & Christian no matter how you try to re-word it.

Now if you are saying that you lived in a house with Christian values then that is a different story. THE LEADING CAUSE OF ATHEISM TODAY IS BY PEOPLE WHO CLAIM TO BE CHRISTIAN BUT AND THEN DO THINGS UNCHRISTIAN. THAT IS WHAT THE UNBELIEVING WORLD FINDS SO UNBELIEVABLE.

 

 

you are right...the chicken and the egg..the sinner and the cross and the sinner

the cross spans eternity...that is the theology and that god had it in mind before the fall..not the bloody autumn you jerk..

 

as for christians and god...

well they believe jesus was the son of god

god in the flesh

and the word of god..

pre existent and eternal...

and for a fleeting second

human:love:

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