Members bassguy Posted November 4, 2005 Members Posted November 4, 2005 yea...so i was watching this show on the discovery channel on noahs arch, and is this suposed to happen after jesus was born or after? i have never read the bible, and come from a fairly atheist christian family... yes atheist christian as in my parents are christian but not die hards... inform me
Members Thunderbroom Posted November 4, 2005 Members Posted November 4, 2005 Originally posted by bassguy yes atheist christian as in my parents are christian but not die hards... You either believe in the Christian God or you don't.
Members JC Bass Posted November 4, 2005 Members Posted November 4, 2005 The great flood came WAY before Jesus was born...and Noah built the ark...not an arch.
Members gazman Posted November 4, 2005 Members Posted November 4, 2005 Originally posted by bassguy yea...so i was watching this show on the discovery channel on noahs arch, and is this suposed to happen after jesus was born or after? i have never read the bible, and come from a fairly atheist christian family...yes atheist christian as in my parents are christian but not die hards...inform me Noah and the Arc happend a very long time before Jesus was born. There is no such thing as a "Christian-Atheist" Family. If your family is Christian but not "die hard", that makes them a "Non Practicing Christian"
Members Emprov Posted November 4, 2005 Members Posted November 4, 2005 Originally posted by gazman There is no such thing as a "Christian-Atheist" Family.If your family is Christian but not "die hard", that makes them a "Non Practicing Christian" [wetrag] His question was about Noah's Ark, not labels. What do you say we keep posts aimed at his question? [/wetrag]
Members rikshaw Posted November 4, 2005 Members Posted November 4, 2005 Originally posted by bassguy yea...so i was watching this show on the discovery channel on noahs arch, and is this suposed to happen after jesus was born or after? i have never read the bible, and come from a fairly atheist christian family...yes atheist christian as in my parents are christian but not die hards...inform me DerekDRP?
Members Meotch Posted November 4, 2005 Members Posted November 4, 2005 Originally posted by bassguy a fairly atheist christian family... Impossible.
Members Jazz Ad Posted November 4, 2005 Members Posted November 4, 2005 You know, christianity built western societies for the most part. I see the Bible as an essential reading if you want to at least get a slight grasp about the way things work in our parts of the world. While you're at it, give an eye to the Talmud and Koran, just so you don't fall for the bull{censored} journalists, extremists and politicians try to sell you most of the time.
Members gazman Posted November 4, 2005 Members Posted November 4, 2005 Originally posted by Emprov [wetrag] His question was about Noah's Ark, not labels. What do you say we keep posts aimed at his question? [/wetrag] I did answer his question. Besides, look at the phrase. "atheist christian": A Christian who doesn't believe in God? How does that work exactly?
Members gazman Posted November 4, 2005 Members Posted November 4, 2005 Originally posted by Jazz Ad While you're at it, give an eye to the Talmud and Koran, just so you don't fall for the bull{censored} journalists, extremists and politicians try to sell you most of the time. +1. Alot of Bull{censored} has been provided via the media.
Members bassguy Posted November 4, 2005 Author Members Posted November 4, 2005 no problem not listening to the media..i dont do that anyways.... as for my typing/spelling/word usage...leave me alone, ive been learning all day, i feel like coming home and being an idiot...lol
Members bassman1956 Posted November 4, 2005 Members Posted November 4, 2005 Originally posted by gazman A Christian who doesn't believe in God? How does that work exactly? Actually, I'm of the firm belief this is a prevalent trend in current society. And although I'm not a part of it, I might belong to a group of agnostic Christians. If, instead of studying idealisms, you watch the realities of the populace, both of these classifications are legit. I certainly belong to a group that doubts the truth of organized religions, simply because of their factual history of being an incredible source of manipulation of people. How many wars have been fought over every religion? How many people enslaved? How many people degraded? Rights withheld because of their sex, their color, their nationality, their culture, often supported greatly by "faith"? And it's a shame, because people need spiritualism. And they need community. I'm not convinced they need religion. As for the ark, about 3000 years before Christ.
Members Dark Slide Posted November 4, 2005 Members Posted November 4, 2005 Are we saying that it's not possible to be raised in a home that is both Christian and athiest? I mean, one can't be both at the same time... but each parent could be one or the other.
Members bassman1956 Posted November 4, 2005 Members Posted November 4, 2005 Originally posted by bassguy as for my typing/spelling/word usage...leave me alone, ive been learning all day, i feel like coming home and being an idiot...lol So, you give others your best, but leave us with the "being an idiot" scraps??? Gee, don't we rate?
Members bassguy Posted November 4, 2005 Author Members Posted November 4, 2005 i agree that you can be raised in an atheist christian home...with a little values from column a and a little from column b. how would atheist non practicing christian home sound? better?
Members bassguy Posted November 4, 2005 Author Members Posted November 4, 2005 and thank you for answering my question...obviously the discovery channel needs to put things more into perspective when they display educational tv shows
Members gazman Posted November 4, 2005 Members Posted November 4, 2005 Originally posted by bassguy how would atheist non practicing christian home sound? better? It makes alot more sense. And your welcome
Members MorePaul Posted November 4, 2005 Members Posted November 4, 2005 Probably best to use a slash as in Athiest / non-practicing Christian home to denpote that it's divided by family member I don't know that it's really the discovery channel's fault (depending on the scope of the program) just as a docu on Rommel might assume a rudimentary knowledge of WWII I think it's worth picking up - at least a "digest" of the Bible as you have family members from that religion and it's a popular mythology in our culture
Members King Kashue Posted November 4, 2005 Members Posted November 4, 2005 Originally posted by bassguy yea...so i was watching this show on the discovery channel on noahs arch, and is this suposed to happen after jesus was born or after? i have never read the bible, and come from a fairly atheist christian family... yes atheist christian as in my parents are christian but not die hards... inform me 1 minute rundown of Old Testament & New Testament Narrative (and beyond): Biblical account: Noah built the Ark 1656 years after Adam & Eve were expelled from the Garden of Eden... Noah was 500 when he had his sons, and lived to 950, 350 of which were postdeluvian, which means he was 600 when he built the Ark... 292 years after the Flood, Abram was born. At the age of 75 Abram departed from his homeland with his wife and his nephew Lot. Abram will eventually be renamed Abraham (Abram meaning 'exalted father' and Abraham meaning 'father of a multitude') and he will have a son Issac, who will have a son Jacob, who will have 13 sons, 12 after whom the tribes of Israel were named and descended, and Joseph (of technicolor dreamcoat fame ). Joseph will lead his family into Egypt, where he has become and influential individual. Jacob's descendants will become the Hebrew people and the nation of Isreal (Jacob having been renamed Israel after wrestling with God, the name meaning "he who contends with God")... Now we begin Independently verifiable history: Sometime around 1400 BCE, the Hebrews spend a roughly 200 year period in Egypt, eventually leaving and settling in Caanan. They will eventually take control of most (but not all) of the land, and will found a kingdom. After a period of unification under the kings Saul, David, and Solomon, the kingdom will split into a Southern Kingdom made up of the tribes of Judah and Benjamin (and lead by the house of David) and a Northern Kingdom made up of the remaining 10 tribes. In 722 BCE the Assyrian Empire will sweep south and conquer the Northern Kingdom and remove the population to be resettled elsewhere in the empire. In 586, the Neo-Babylonian empire will put an end to the Southern Kingdom, removing the population to be resettled elsewhere. In 539 BCE, the Acheamenid Persians will conquer the Babylonians, and their King, Cyrus the Great, will issue a decree returning all captive peoples (including the Jews) to their homelands. After this point, there is no independent Jewish State, the Kingdom being under Persian rule until 332BC, when Alexander of Macedon will conquer the area, then under the Ptolematic Kings of Aegypt from 305 until 198 when the Selucid Kings will take control of the area. The Jews will achieve semi-autonomy under the Hasmonean dynasty from 140-37, but are under varying degrees of control from Ptolemaic Egypt and Rome during this period. In 37 BC Herod the Great will become King of Judea, but is not a Jew and is closely tied with the Romans. The state is subject to Roman law and control, though not officially part of the Roman empire. In Around 6-4 BC, Jesus is born...no he wasn't born in 0, since there was no zero, but since Herod dies in 4, we have to place his birth before that...The dating system we use today was an innovation of centuries later and basically they messed the sero point up... 30ish AD, Christ is crucified (and according to the Bible) is risen from the dead. 64 Nero burns the center of Rome, first major persecution of Christians begins. Both Paul and Peter are executed in Rome in 67. From 66-70 the Jews in Judea revolt against the Romans. They are finally put down in 70 by the general (and later emperor) Titus, who loots the province and destroys the temple. Judea becomes a Roman province, renamed 'Palestine' in 135AD. The region will be held by the Eastern Roman Empire until 638 when it is lost to the Islamic Armies along with Antioch of Syria. The region is captured by European armies during the first Crusade, Jerusalem itself being captured in 1099, it will remain in Crusader hands until 1187 when it will fall to Saladin after the disaster at Hattin. The Egyptian Ayyubides will control the region until 1260 when they are overthrown by the Mamluks. The Ottoman Turks will conquer the Mamluks in 1516-17 and will control the region until the end of World War I, 400 years later. The United Kingdom will control the region until after WWII, when in 1948 they constitute the modern State of Israel, the first fully autonomous Jewish State in the region since 539 BC...
Members Thunderbroom Posted November 4, 2005 Members Posted November 4, 2005 Originally posted by King Kashue Noah was 500 when he had his sons...he was 600 when he built the Ark It's stuff like this that I just can't get past. I'm supposed to believe a guy lived to be 600+ years old?!?
Members King Kashue Posted November 4, 2005 Members Posted November 4, 2005 Originally posted by Thunderbroom It's stuff like this that I just can't get past. I'm supposed to believe a guy lived to be 600+ years old?!? What often gets mentioned is the fact that the antedeluvian world is described with waters above and waters below, indicating something different with the sky prior to the flood. Environmental stresses are one of the big things that ages humans, and if those are different, who knows what happens with humans... Though I agree, I find much of the early portion of Genesis unreasonable...But no more unreasonable than God becoming incarnate and dying as a redemptive sacrifice for the sins of Humanity and then rising from the dead to ascend into Heaven... A lot of stuff works when you believe in an omnipotent God
Members niomosy Posted November 4, 2005 Members Posted November 4, 2005 Originally posted by King Kashue A lot of stuff works when you believe in an omnipotent God It's the believing part that's the real trick, though
Members King Kashue Posted November 4, 2005 Members Posted November 4, 2005 Originally posted by niomosy It's the believing part that's the real trick, though Never said it wasn't
Members zachoff Posted November 4, 2005 Members Posted November 4, 2005 I'm a big fan of the morality behind most religions, but I'm not a fan of most religions. Really, it's the people that ruin it for me... Not the actual message.
Members Emprov Posted November 4, 2005 Members Posted November 4, 2005 Originally posted by zachoff Really, it's the people that ruin it for me... Not the actual message. Yep. We have a nasty habit of thinking much more highly of ourselves than we should. Loose the exlusivity and self importance and we'll be a lot better off.
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