They should start executing by guillotine again...

[der oxenrig]

Because it's more humane than any other form, your spinal cord gets severed before you can feel anything, and they're just really cool.

 

 

Who agrees with me?

[zenfascist]

BOALG. Stop execution altogether.

[ToeJamFootball]

 

originally posted by zenfascist BOALG. Stop execution altogether.

 

 

 

+1

 

ToeJam

[Trento54]

 

Because it's more humane than any other form

 

 

the most humane punishment is jail not capitle punishment!

[zenfascist]

 

Originally posted by Trento54 the most humane punishment is jail not capitle punishment!

 

 

If it's for life, then that could be argued otherwise. Some people would rather just die. I think we need correctional facilities that do what they're supposed to do: CORRECT THE PROBLEM.

[Tommy the Cat]

Death by butter knife is really a lot more humane.

[Emprov]

 

Originally posted by zenfascist I think we need correctional facilities that do what they're supposed to do: CORRECT THE PROBLEM.

 

 

In order to correct the problem though, you first need an agreed upon definition. No way you're gonna get that.

[zenfascist]

Originally posted by Emprov In order to correct the problem though, you first need an agreed upon definition. No way you're gonna get that.

 

Not with that attitude, anyway.

[bassman1956]

Originally posted by ToeJamFootball +1 ToeJam

 

 

Then YOU pay for their upkeep!

 

They've already declared themselves outlaws! YOU support them.

[LanEvo]

 

Originally posted by The Ox Who agrees with me?

There's a serious technical downside to the guillotine. You get blood and sharp bits of bone sprayed all over the place. Not exactly hygienic. Lethal injection is much cleaner.

 

Shoot someone up with a mix of I.V. sedation and a nice dose of potassium chloride. That's what you do in cardiac surgery and the patients don't seem to complain. It's hard to think of a gentler way to help someone buy the farm.

 

Emre

[King Kashue]

Originally posted by bassman1956 Then YOU pay for their upkeep! They've already declared themselves outlaws! YOU support them.

 

 

Supporting a prisioner for life costs less than the extra court costs inherent in a capital trial and sentencing...It costs more to execute someone...

 

 

 

 

As for the guillotine, you stay quite in control of your faculties after the decapitation...It takes 10+ seconds to actually die...

[bassman1956]

 

Originally posted by King Kashue As for the guillotine, you stay quite in control of your faculties after the decapitation...It takes 10+ seconds to actually die...

 

 

 

That I know. Had a prof that studied this kind of stuff. He said you were lucky to be the first in line, for a "swift death". This was actually an act of kindness and leaneancy, because by the time several people had gone through, the cutting edges were dull (axe, sword, guillotine, didn't matter) and the chances of the executioner having to take multiple blows while you layed there waiting to die was pretty strong.

 

yuk.

[syciprider]

 

Originally posted by King Kashue As for the guillotine, you stay quite in control of your faculties after the decapitation...It takes 10+ seconds to actually die...

 

 

And how do you know this?

 

Ox, we can't start executing by guillotine "again". At least not here in the U.S. Only the French and her former colonies can do it "again".

 

Tookie's one dead mofo BTW.

[Emprov]

Originally posted by zenfascist Not with that attitude, anyway.

 

I blame Bush...and you 'cause you're a vegan!!!

 

 

[sunburstbasser]

Most humane way to execute is nitrogen asphyxiation. Not used yet, but basically they put you in a chamber and pump in nitrogen. Not poisonous, you just fall asleep and as the oxygen level decreases, you die.

 

Preserves most organs, meaning that we could, in theory, make organ donors out of people with death sentences.

[ToeJamFootball]

that sounds liek ti would be best.

 

ToeJam

[sunburstbasser]

 

Originally posted by ToeJamFootball that sounds liek ti would be best. ToeJam

 

 

In theory, yes.

 

In practice, you have to kill something to test any form of execution. Could be a long time before this system is implemented anywhere, if it ever is at all.

[Tommy the Cat]

 

Originally posted by sunburstbasser Most humane way to execute is nitrogen asphyxiation. Not used yet, but basically they put you in a chamber and pump in nitrogen. Not poisonous, you just fall asleep and as the oxygen level decreases, you die. Preserves most organs, meaning that we could, in theory, make organ donors out of people with death sentences.

 

 

yeah, but who would want Charles Manson's liver?

 

 

 

 

 

actually, now that I think about, that's {censored}ing awesome. I want Charles Manson's liver.

[King Kashue]

 

Originally posted by syciprider And how do you know this?

 

 

 

Historical accounts and the opinions of neurobiologists...Nothing is for certain, obviously, but response has been documented after decapitation and the physiological evidence supports the supposition...

 

 

 

 

Ox, we can't start executing by guillotine "again". At least not here in the U.S. Only the French and her former colonies can do it "again".

 

 

Well, the French didn't invent the guillotine...Even Guillotin didn't invent it, it existed for centuries in smaller forms to behead poultry, and they had cruder versions used for executions in Ireland, Scotland and Italy (likely other places as well, those are just the ones with clear references)...

[Moody Johnny]

 

Originally posted by zenfascist BOALG. Stop execution altogether.

 

But doesn't BOALG mean you favor all forms of execution, just like the mythical figure BOALG favored all kind of basses?

 

 

I voted for guillotine...

To oppose guillotine just because it's gross, and to support capitol punishment at the same time, I find it a bit double standarded. Like sweeping problems under the rug.

 

To end someone's life should not be fun for the executioner, should it? There should not be punishment element in capitol punishment, but it should rather be elimination without zeal, without entertainment, without judgement (the judgement was given in the court). I see it as an ultimate solution to deal with an individual who is so dangerous that the're way beyond rehabilitation.

 

I admit, there might be even more humane ways than guillotine, but there is no possibility of staying conscious for more than 7 seconds after the beheading. Look for the paragraph entitled "The cause of death" on this informative webpage.

 

EDIT: Hold on, I found a report from 1905 that witnesses survival of 30 seconds. Whether it's true or not, I cannot tell, but it contradicts the 7 sec calculation on brain metabolism, although it might affect that in this case the head was not distinctly separated from the neck

 

So as a theoretical solution, I support capi... errr, elimination. (I don't know how popular such opinion is on my side of the pond, probably much common than is publicly aknowledged. BTW, I'm also pro-choice about abortion. I favor quality over quantity, when it comes to human life and pretty much everything else.)

[Jazz Ad]

 

Originally posted by sunburstbasser Most humane way to execute is nitrogen asphyxiation. Not used yet, but basically they put you in a chamber and pump in nitrogen. Not poisonous, you just fall asleep and as the oxygen level decreases, you die. Preserves most organs, meaning that we could, in theory, make organ donors out of people with death sentences.

When oxygen lacks, you don't fall asleep. You just suffocate. It's a terrible death.

 

The use of organs requires a brain dead body. It wouldn't be the case here.

Of course, you also need the donor to agree with giving his organs, unless you expect to do it without the condamnee's agreement ?

 

Death penalty belongs to dark ages.

[sunburstbasser]

 

Originally posted by Jazz Ad When oxygen lacks, you don't fall asleep. You just suffocate. It's a terrible death. The use of organs requires a brain dead body. It wouldn't be the case here. Of course, you also need the donor to agree with giving his organs, unless you expect to do it without the condamnee's agreement ? Death penalty belongs to dark ages.

 

 

They don't reduce the amount of oxygen, just the concentration. Its not suffocation like drowning.

 

I don't know all the details, but its nothing like the gas chamber or something like that and doesn't damage the organs the way lethal injection does.

[MorePaul]

 

Originally posted by sunburstbasser They don't reduce the amount of oxygen, just the concentration. Its not suffocation like drowning.

 

 

What you are looking at is hypoxia/anoxia [aka hypox(a)emia]

 

"suffocation" symptoms are generally CO2 related (it's the CO2 concentration which regulates are "breath" response) -- it leads to a danger in SCUBA diving..if you have an old tank with an air charge that wasn't bone dry, the inside can "rust" (oxidize)...and guess where it gets the oxy? -- the problem is that the pressure reads fine and the diver doesn't really know

in breath-hold diving you can get "shallow water blackout" by hyprventillating...it lowers CO2 concentration with only marginal O2 concentration increase...so you don't know when you need to breath

 

though, I suppose to reduce the concentration, we'd either have to lower the amount of O2 or reduce the pressure (Henry's law of partial pressure)

 

 

[Craig Vecchione]

 

Originally posted by Jazz Ad Death penalty belongs to dark ages.

 

 

You prefer rats in cages? Or just let 'em all go? All forms of incarceration and capital punishment are ugly. There's simply no good way to deal with society's miscreants.

[Craig Vecchione]

 

Originally posted by Moody Johnny But doesn't BOALG mean you favor all forms of execution, just like the mythical figure BOALG favored all kind of basses? I voted for guillotine... To oppose guillotine just because it's gross, and to support capitol punishment at the same time, I find it a bit double standarded. Like sweeping problems under the rug. To end someone's life should not be fun for the executioner, should it? There should not be punishment element in capitol punishment, but it should rather be elimination without zeal, without entertainment, without judgement (the judgement was given in the court). I see it as an ultimate solution to deal with an individual who is so dangerous that the're way beyond rehabilitation. I admit, there might be even more humane ways than guillotine, but there is no possibility of staying conscious for more than 7 seconds after the beheading. Look for the paragraph entitled "The cause of death" on this informative webpage . EDIT: Hold on, I found a report from 1905 that witnesses survival of 30 seconds. Whether it's true or not, I cannot tell, but it contradicts the 7 sec calculation on brain metabolism, although it might affect that in this case the head was not distinctly separated from the neck So as a theoretical solution, I support capi... errr, elimination. (I don't know how popular such opinion is on my side of the pond, probably much common than is publicly aknowledged. BTW, I'm also pro-choice about abortion. I favor quality over quantity, when it comes to human life and pretty much everything else.)

 

 

It's no mystery that death takes time in almost all forms of execution, and that methods that deprive the brain of blood and/or oxygen deliver a slow and excruciatingly painful death. Anyone who has either nearly drowned or been asphyxiated can attest to the pain.