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UK sailors captured at gunpoint

 

Fifteen British Navy personnel have been captured at gunpoint by Iranian forces, the Ministry of Defence says.

 

The men were seized at 1030 local time when they boarded a boat in the Gulf, off the coast of Iraq, which they suspected was smuggling cars.

 

The Royal Navy said the men who were on a routine patrol in Iraqi waters, were understood to be unharmed.

 

Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett has demanded the immediate and safe return of the HMS Cornwall servicemen.

 

She added that she had called for a "full explanation" from Iran and had left them in no doubt that she wanted the group and their equipment back immediately.

 

The frigate's commander, Commodore Nick Lambert, said he was hoping there had been a "simple mistake" over territorial waters.

 

"There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that they [british personnel] were in Iraqi territorial waters. Equally, the Iranians may claim they were in Iranian territorial waters.

 

"We may well find that this is a simple misunderstanding at the tactical level."

 

Helicopters had reported seeing two British boats being moved along the Shatt al-Arab waterway to Iranian bases and there had been no evidence of fighting, he added.

 

He said that despite scant communication, the 15 people were understood to be safe and had reacted in an "extremely professional way, in line with the rules of engagement".

 

 

Mrs Beckett said: "We understand that they were in two boats that were operating in Iraqi waters in accordance with the Security Council Resolution 1723 in support of the government of Iraq to stop smuggling."

 

On Friday afternoon, the Iranian ambassador in London, Rasoul Movahedian, met permanent secretary, Sir Peter Ricketts, at the Foreign and Commonwealth Office.

 

The foreign secretary said the meeting had been "brisk but polite" and said the British ambassador in Iran had also been speaking to officials in Tehran.

 

There has been no immediate response so far from Iran, where many ministries and official buildings were closed for a public holiday.

 

Shadow foreign secretary William Hague and Sir Menzies Campbell, leader of the Liberal Democrats, have both backed the call for the group's immediate and safe return.

 

Commodore Kevin Aandahl, of the US Navy Fifth Fleet based in the same region, backed the Royal Navy's claims that their boats had been in Iraqi waters.

 

He added that the Royal Navy personnel should be given credit for a "very cool" response and not escalating the situation.

 

The incident comes at a time of renewed tensions with Iran over its nuclear programme and follows claims that most of the violence against UK forces in Basra is being engineered by Iranian elements.

 

British Army Colonel Justin Maciejewski, who is based in Iraq, said Iran was providing "sophisticated weaponry" to insurgents and "Iranian agents" were paying local men to attack British troops.

 

Iranian officials have in the past denied such claims.

 

In 2004, Iran detained eight British servicemen for three days after they allegedly strayed over the maritime border.

 

The UK claimed the men were "forcibly escorted" into Iranian territorial waters.

 

The men were paraded blindfolded and made to apologise on Iranian TV before their release was agreed.

 

The BBC's diplomatic correspondent James Robbins said the difference this time is that the present Iranian government under President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was much more hardline.

 

"The political climate is worse with Britain among those confronting Iran over its controversial nuclear programme," he added.

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The Iranian regime is poking the west with a sharp stick hoping to goad us into war, it's pretty {censored}ing obvious.

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I wouldn't advise it. With troops on both sides of them, the west is positioned to pop Iran like a pimple and I have a feeling that GW would like nothing better.

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I wouldn't advise it. With troops on both sides of them, the west is positioned to pop Iran like a pimple and I have a feeling that GW would like nothing better.

 

 

Ahmedinijad is one of those muslim end-times whackos, though. Something tells me he doesn't give a {censored}.

Plus, you think Iraq has been protracted? Iran is twice the size and has ALOT of mountains. We'd have to bomb that place into the stone age to get in there...

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Ahmedinijad is one of those muslim end-times whackos, though. Something tells me he doesn't give a {censored}.

Plus, you think Iraq has been protracted? Iran is twice the size and has ALOT of mountains. We'd have to bomb that place into the stone age to get in there...

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Oh yeah, it would be a very very messy business. I have no doubt we could expect to see suicide charges on the battlefield numbering in the hundreds of thousands or more. They did similar {censored} during their war with Iraq. And the worst part of it is, I think Iran will come around on its own given enough time...if that nutcase Ahmedinijad doesn't force a war first.

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Ahmedinijad is one of those muslim end-times whackos, though. Something tells me he doesn't give a {censored}.

Plus, you think Iraq has been protracted? Iran is twice the size and has ALOT of mountains. We'd have to bomb that place into the stone age to get in there...

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That would take them back what...

 

 

 

 

 

 

2 weeks?

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That would take them back what...







2 weeks?

 

 

That's the sad part. Iran has more potential than any other nation in that region to have a strong economy and society. They already have the higher education institutions and lead the muslim world in women's rights. It's just that they allow themselves to be led by muslim clerics and anti-world whackjobs. And yes, Ahmedinijad is trying like hell to lead them into war.

Of course, the UN won't stand behind any resolution they set against Iran, and the EU will leave the US high and dry again if Iran starts a war. Ahmedinijad knows this and is acting on it...

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And yes, Ahmedinijad is trying like hell to lead them into war.

 

 

Horse hockey. He's preparing his country for a U.S. attack, but the last thing he wants is for that to actually happen. What would the U.S. do if all the sudden Iranian aircraft carriers were spotted off the coast of north Carolina?

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Horse hockey. He's preparing his country for a U.S. attack, but the last thing he wants is for that to actually happen. What would the U.S. do if all the sudden Iranian aircraft carriers were spotted off the coast of north Carolina?

 

 

Securing his country by taunting the international community and sending arms to insurgents in Iraq? Preparing to defend his country by kidnapping British marines in foreign waters?

He's an armageddon-prophecy freak, he wants us to attack him, which in his thinking will bring on the endtimes.

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Horse hockey. He's preparing his country for a U.S. attack, but the last thing he wants is for that to actually happen. What would the U.S. do if all the sudden Iranian aircraft carriers were spotted off the coast of north Carolina?

 

 

Ahmedinijad's posturing and rhetoric have clearly been intended to provoke the west and he's pushing it to such a point he's losing the support of the Iranian people and many leading (and vocal) Iranian clerics. The USA doesn't need to attack Iran, all we have to do is what we are doing...giving Ahmedinijad enough rope to hang himself. This is the rare instance where I think economic sanctions will work. It wasn't so long ago that Iran was a friend to the west and kept peace with Israel. There are still many Iranians alive who remember the benefits of befriending the west. Economic sanctions will hit Iranians hard and I think they'll correctly know who to blame for their isolation.

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Either him or whoever comes next.


I agree with Mudbass that we probably won't have to attack Iran. The problem is, if we continue to let him push, when is he going to throw a punch?

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Now that's the trick. We have to make sure he doesn't develop something to punch with without starting another war. If Ahmedinijad brings nuke plants online somebody will have to take them out. If the USA doesn't do it you know Israel will. It's looking more and more unaviodable. The big question in my mind is, what will be the reaction when it happens? Will the Iranian people point the finger at Ahmedinijad and say ...see! See what happens when you piss them off?

Will they turn on Ahmedinijad like Italians on Mussolini? ...or will they turn on us.

Most of the Arabic world (and the French) will condemn the USA immediately regardless of who actually does the shooting, that's a given, but how will the Iranian people react? I don't know, but I'm afraid that eventually we're going to find out.

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The Iranian regime is poking the west with a sharp stick hoping to goad us into war, it's pretty {censored}ing obvious.

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We cannot do that - they are freedom fighters and we need to respect and understand them, not bully them as the only world superpower.

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I feel bad for the Iranian people. A couple of Iranian immigrants work at Wal*Mart where my mother is in personnel. One of them was a doctor in Iran and the other also had a fairly prestigious job. They said they love Iran as a nation, but the government there is horrible and they're always afraid of what might happen. It would be nice to see another Iranian revolution - this time ousting the Islamists in power and installing a sensible government.

 

I read in PARADE (not the greatest source I know) that the election of Hamas was the first time a hardline Islamist gov't had ever been freely elected. All other hardline governments gained power through other means. I don't know if it's true, but it's interesting if it is.

 

I know I'm probably preaching to the choir here and no one in this thread has made this mistake, but Iranians are overwhelmingly Persian, not Arab. The last time I looked in the World Almanac (it wasn't too old) it said something like 98% of Iranians were ethnically Persian. Arabs account for less than two percent of the population.

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I know I'm probably preaching to the choir here and no one in this thread has made this mistake, but Iranians are overwhelmingly Persian, not Arab. The last time I looked in the World Almanac (it wasn't too old) it said something like 98% of Iranians were ethnically Persian. Arabs account for less than two percent of the population.

 

 

What's sad is that most of us probably a) didn't know that and b) don't care. Really it puzzles me how we can expect anything good to come from any military action.

 

We oust and eventually put on trial and sentence to death Iran's number one enemy, Saddam Hussein...leaving the majority Shia in Iraq with tremendous political clout, I'm sure the Shia majority in Iran were pleased about that. It begs the question "Now what the {censored} do we do?"

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Quite surprising to say the least. Blair has stated that an attack on Iran is 'out of the question'. Why take British sailors captive then? Why not any other nation?

 

But anyone who thinks a war with Iran would be easy is sorely mistaken. Think of a version of Iraq which is 3 times the geographic size with a population similar to that of Turkey's. And an armed force which has been preparing for a US attack for the better part of 20 years that hasn't been crippled by other wars and economic sanctions.

 

Most people in Iran are sick of their president, much like I imagine many people in America are sick of theirs. In local elections in Tehran recently, candidates linked to him lost badly. He's doing his best to sabre-rattle and get attantion, but the Supreme Council probably wouldn't let him start a war directly. Those 'religious nuts' have more political and diplomatic savvy than most would probably give them credit for. They know a war with the west would give them nothing at the price of an awful lot.

 

His term will be over soon and hopefully another reformist like Khatami will take his place.

 

However, anyone who thinks attacking the country would cause the population to turn on their government is deluding themselves. They will rally around their government to fight off the foreign invaders, like the effect NATO airstrikes on Yugoslavia over the Kosovo issue had. The people threw out Milosevic themselves when he tried to steal an election a couple of years later, not because they were being bombed.

 

Anyway, I think the British government is wise to these games and won't sink to their level.

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