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against conventional wisdom i decided to put my electra corsair up on ebay:

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=006&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=160140581120&rd=1&rd=1

 

 

i worded it correctly and gave an accurate description of the bass. nowhere in the description does it say rickenbacker or any of the other "trademarks" that rick has in a way that is not nessecary to give an accurate description of the bass. i got 2 bids,180 views and 4 messages in the first hour it was listed.

now, i know i'm a glutton for punishment but the curiosity of what ebay's excuse will be if/when they pull the auction just got the better of me.

we'll see :)

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well ........

looks like prickenbacker had my auction pulled .here's the excuse ebay gave me:

 

Dear willie041824,

 

You recently listed the following auction-style listing:

 

160140581120 - ELECTRA CORSAIR LAWSUIT BASS W/ RICKENBACKER PICKUP

 

 

The listing was removed because it violated eBay policy. All fees related to this listing have been credited to your account. We also notified members who placed bids on the item that the listing has

been canceled.

 

 

 

The rights owner, Rickenbacker International Corporation, notified eBay that this listing violates intellectual property rights. When eBay receives a report of

this type of violation, we remove the listing to comply with the law.

 

 

 

 

Trademark infringement is unlawful and violates eBay's policies. A trademark is a unique sign (such as a name, word, phrase, logo, or symbol) that a company uses to identify its products and/or services.

 

Using another company's trademark in a way that may confuse buyers about the source of goods or services, or confuses buyers into believing that the seller is affiliated with, sponsored by or endorsed by the trademark owner is both illegal and against eBay's policies. Examples include counterfeits, unauthorized replica items and items that bear the brand or logo of a company without that company's permission.

 

Guideline: If the product you are listing bears the brand or logo of a company, but it wasn't made or authorized by that company, don't sell it on eBay.

 

The sale of counterfeits and unauthorized replicas of branded products is unlawful and not permitted on eBay.

 

For more information visit the following Help page:

 

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/replica-counterfeit.html

 

For more information visit the following Help page:

 

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/trademark.html

 

- Take eBay's brief tutorial on Intellectual Property Policies and VeRO

- Read the ended listings FAQ at http://pages.ebay.com/help/confidence/vero-removed-listing.html

- Ask eBay a question using the link on the above help page

 

To take the intellectual property tutorial, please visit:

 

http://pages.ebay.com/help/tutorial/verotutorial/intro.html

 

Please be aware that any additional violations of this policy may result in the suspension of your account. eBay understands that you may be concerned about this situation.We encourage you to contact Rickenbacker International Corporation directly if you have any questions. You can send an email to:

 

auction@rickenbacker.com

 

For more information on how eBay protects Intellectual Property visit the following Help page:

 

http://pages.ebay.com/help/tp/programs-vero-ov.html

 

 

 

 

For more information on why eBay may remove a listing, please visit:

 

http://pages.ebay.com/help/tp/listing-ended.html

 

Thank you for your understanding.

 

 

Sincerely,

 

eBay Trust & Safety

 

 

 

 

 

 

{censored} rickenbacker and their {censored}ty instruments.

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I was wondering why you even put the word "Rickenbacker" in there.


It was sure to get pulled on that alone.

 

 

it has a rick pickup in it. if it was any other brand of pickup i would have had to put that in the description as well (full disclosure and all).

and don't get me wrong - i'm not pissed - i had a pretty good idea what would happen. i just thought the ric-o-cops would have a better excuse than "well it kinda looks like a bass we made 40 years ago that we didn't get around to trying to copyright untill it was too late"

..........weak

:)

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it has a rick pickup in it. if it was any other brand of pickup i would have had to put that in the description as well (full disclosure and all).

and don't get me wrong - i'm not pissed - i had a pretty good idea what would happen. i just thought the ric-o-cops would have a better excuse than "well it kinda looks like a bass we made 40 years ago that we didn't get around to trying to copyright untill it was too late"

..........weak

:)

 

I suppose. And it is BS. I mean, do they honestly think that stopping the circulation of these copies is going to change anything? They're out there. And they're not going to magically disappear.

 

Next time, put it like this:

 

Electra Corsair (bla bla bla)

 

...the neck pickup was made by a company whose instruments this one here resembles. But I cannot attach that company's intellectual property to this listing because they don't really seem to have better things to do, than police online auctions for product that is similar to theirs.

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I suppose. And it is BS. I mean, do they honestly think that stopping the circulation of these copies is going to change anything? They're out there. And they're not going to magically disappear.


Next time, put it like this:


Electra Corsair (bla bla bla)


...the neck pickup was made by a company whose instruments this one here resembles. But I cannot attach that company's intellectual property to this listing because they don't really seem to have better things to do, than police online auctions for product that is similar to theirs.

 

 

 

hahahaha.....

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well ........

looks like prickenbacker had my auction pulled .here's the excuse ebay gave me:


Dear willie041824,


You recently listed the following auction-style listing:


160140581120 - ELECTRA CORSAIR LAWSUIT BASS W/ RICKENBACKER PICKUP



The listing was removed because it violated eBay policy. All fees related to this listing have been credited to your account. We also notified members who placed bids on the item that the listing has

been canceled.




The rights owner, Rickenbacker International Corporation, notified eBay that this listing violates intellectual property rights. When eBay receives a report of

this type of violation, we remove the listing to comply with the law.





Trademark infringement is unlawful and violates eBay's policies. A trademark is a unique sign (such as a name, word, phrase, logo, or symbol) that a company uses to identify its products and/or services.


Using another company's trademark in a way that may confuse buyers about the source of goods or services, or confuses buyers into believing that the seller is affiliated with, sponsored by or endorsed by the trademark owner is both illegal and against eBay's policies. Examples include counterfeits, unauthorized replica items and items that bear the brand or logo of a company without that company's permission.


Guideline: If the product you are listing bears the brand or logo of a company, but it wasn't made or authorized by that company, don't sell it on eBay.


The sale of counterfeits and unauthorized replicas of branded products is unlawful and not permitted on eBay.


For more information visit the following Help page:


http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/replica-counterfeit.html


For more information visit the following Help page:


http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/trademark.html


- Take eBay's brief tutorial on Intellectual Property Policies and VeRO

- Read the ended listings FAQ at
http://pages.ebay.com/help/confidence/vero-removed-listing.html

- Ask eBay a question using the link on the above help page


To take the intellectual property tutorial, please visit:


http://pages.ebay.com/help/tutorial/verotutorial/intro.html


Please be aware that any additional violations of this policy may result in the suspension of your account. eBay understands that you may be concerned about this situation.We encourage you to contact Rickenbacker International Corporation directly if you have any questions. You can send an email to:


auction@rickenbacker.com


For more information on how eBay protects Intellectual Property visit the following Help page:


http://pages.ebay.com/help/tp/programs-vero-ov.html





For more information on why eBay may remove a listing, please visit:


http://pages.ebay.com/help/tp/listing-ended.html


Thank you for your understanding.



Sincerely,


eBay Trust & Safety







{censored} rickenbacker and their {censored}ty instruments.

 

 

There was nothing in your posting that violated any intellectual property laws. I'm thinking I should list it for you and when eBay sends me a similar message I can respond accordingly.

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There was nothing in your posting that violated any intellectual property laws. I'm thinking I should list it for you and when eBay sends me a similar message I can respond accordingly.

 

 

the only thing i can figure is this part :

 

The sale of counterfeits and unauthorized replicas of branded products is unlawful and not permitted on eBay.

 

it just seems to me like everything that was made before rick took out their trademarks ( how in the hell do you get a trademark for a piece of wood in a certain shape????)

should be exempt from these sorts of things. ric is just doing this whole thing on a technicality.

 

the funny thing about it is that i've made twice as much money for ebay as ric has :rolleyes:

so much for loyalty eh?

ric's past sales:

http://myworld.ebay.com/ric-outlet/

 

mine:

http://myworld.ebay.com/willie041824

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I am not getting it either.....


Yeah it looks like a ric, but you didn't list it as such.

It has a ric pickup. What, you can't sell ric pickups?


:idk:

 

 

 

that's my whole gripe with it. theoretically if i was to sell the bass without letting the seller know that it had a replacement pickup (whatever the brand may be) i would be liable for misrepresenting the bass and would be resposible for a refund on the transaction and paying return shipping and all the cancelled ebay fees.

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