Members biggerriff666 Posted August 8, 2007 Members Posted August 8, 2007 i tried this real quickly once and i loved the sound, but will this hurt my amp?
Moderators Kindness Posted August 8, 2007 Moderators Posted August 8, 2007 It is perfectly safe to play through that amp. However, if you are connected to a guitar speaker cabinet instead of a bass speaker cabinet (or other full range speaker system) you risk damaging the speakers. Guitar speakers are not designed to accommodate the stresses and strains of reproducing the bass frequencies at any appreciable levels.
Members rummy Posted August 8, 2007 Members Posted August 8, 2007 I play my bass through Laney's guitar head. It sounds great, but yeah, the Mesa 2x12s aren't exactly cutting it. I can only go quarter up on the master volume before it it farts.
Moderators Kindness Posted August 8, 2007 Moderators Posted August 8, 2007 I'm a Fender man more than a Marshall man, so when I plug my bass into a guitar amp it is usually a Tweed Deluxe (internal speaker disconnected and routed into a bass cab) or a Dual Showman Reverb head pushing a bass cab.
Moderators ThudMaker Posted August 8, 2007 Moderators Posted August 8, 2007 Kindness beat me to it. Run it through a bass cab of the appropriate ohms. I use a Marshall JCM600 60 watt head for this sometimes. It sounds killer.
Moderators Kindness Posted August 8, 2007 Moderators Posted August 8, 2007 Shocker huh? I should have said "For guitars I'm a Fender man." For bass, my Ampeg V-4B gets more play.
Members rummy Posted August 8, 2007 Members Posted August 8, 2007 How do you guys EQ your guitar amps for bass? Flat? Or do you kill mid/high/presense?
Moderators Kindness Posted August 8, 2007 Moderators Posted August 8, 2007 I use my EQ the same on guitar amps as bass amps as any other amps. Most of my basses get a slight dip in the 800 Hz range, single coil jazzes get a more exaggerated dip. I adjust to be heard in the context of the material. On my Showman (with my custom tone stack), that's best approximated at about a 4-10-2 on the bass-middle-treble. On my Tweed Deluxe that's the bright channel and about a 6 on the tone. On my Thunderfunk it is dead flat. When I play the Ampeg it is for "that" sound, totally different from my other amps. Cut the bass to about 10 o'clock, boost the mids at 300 Hz to about 2 o'clock, cut the treble back to about 9 o'clock, grab a pick and a Pbass and rock.
Moderators ThudMaker Posted August 8, 2007 Moderators Posted August 8, 2007 How do you guys EQ your guitar amps for bass?Flat? Or do you kill mid/high/presense?I take out a bit of presence and boost the bass slightly.
Members rummy Posted August 8, 2007 Members Posted August 8, 2007 I have to have mid, high, and presense all at 0 before I can get some decent bass sound out of that set up. Laney's known to be bright, and having V30s in the cab doesn't really help either. I'm still deciding if I should pick up a 50w practice combo, or just add a nice 2x10 cab to the head, and see if I can get by.
Moderators ThudMaker Posted August 8, 2007 Moderators Posted August 8, 2007 I have to have mid, high, and presense all at 0 before I can get some decent bass sound out of that set up. Laney's known to be bright, and having V30s in the cab doesn't really help either.I'm still deciding if I should pick up a 50w practice combo, or just add a nice 2x10 cab to the head, and see if I can get by.The bass specific cab is going to be pretty different compared to the V30's. I have G12T-75's in one Marshall cab and Vintage Jensens in a Mesa 410 cab and neither give an accurate bass tone that a bass cab will. I'd take the head into a local music store and check it out through a bass cab before I decided which route to go.
Members rummy Posted August 8, 2007 Members Posted August 8, 2007 Sounds good. Thanks for the advice!
Members fretless Posted August 8, 2007 Members Posted August 8, 2007 Great amps ! here's my baby '73 50 watter m/
Members biggerriff666 Posted August 8, 2007 Author Members Posted August 8, 2007 i think i might get an ampeg 8x10 to run a jazz bass and my plexi through.
Moderators Kindness Posted August 8, 2007 Moderators Posted August 8, 2007 i think i might get an ampeg 8x10 to run a jazz bass and my plexi through. Yum.
Members rummy Posted August 8, 2007 Members Posted August 8, 2007 Ooh, another question.Are these 50/100w rated guitar amps going to be loud enough for a gig, or a loud practice? Powerful enough to push these speakers? I know a tube 50w is much louder than solid state 50w, so maybe?
Moderators Kindness Posted August 8, 2007 Moderators Posted August 8, 2007 Which speakers? That's the key. 50 watts into a 1x10? No chance. 50 watts into an 8x10? Hells yeah! It all depends on the totality of the rig. 5 watts into a 8x10 can be devastating. 500 watts into a smaller, inefficient cabinet might not be heard in a quiet rehearsal.
Members rummy Posted August 8, 2007 Members Posted August 8, 2007 I see what you're saying. I was looking at the Aguilar GS112 @ 8ohms.
Moderators Kindness Posted August 8, 2007 Moderators Posted August 8, 2007 I haven't used that cabinet. I would think that 50 watts into a 1x12 is going to just come up short for keeping up with a live drummer and maintaining the tone you want. On the other hand, 100 watts into a 2x12 might be overkill. You are best off having 200+ watts into a 1x12 or 50 watts into a 2x12.
Members rummy Posted August 8, 2007 Members Posted August 8, 2007 Excellent. This is some good stuff. I like how the Aguilar sounds, and it's really small, which is a plus. But, I may have to look into the Avatar 210, then.
Moderators Kindness Posted August 8, 2007 Moderators Posted August 8, 2007 Brother Mango, another forum member from Chicago has an Aggie 410 that is pretty sweet, but that might be too large for you.
Members rummy Posted August 8, 2007 Members Posted August 8, 2007 Yeah, probably. I doubt I'll ever really "gig," so I guess I should really be looking at a combo. But, I do want a small rig that'll sound right, you know? I want to buy a decent cab for now to use with my guitar amp. And, when I feel pretty good about my playing, I'll get myself a nice head.
Members fretless Posted August 8, 2007 Members Posted August 8, 2007 Yeah, probably. I doubt I'll ever really "gig," so I guess I should really be looking at a combo. But, I do want a small rig that'll sound right, you know? I want to buy a decent cab for now to use with my guitar amp. And, when I feel pretty good about my playing, I'll get myself a nice head. http://www.avatarspeakers.com/
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