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The Ampeg 210 is a great cab IF you have a 1x15 or 1x18 to carry the lows. It farts pretty quickly, as you have noticed, as it is only rated at like 300W IIRC, and your GK puts out ~700? Its not a good cab/head match.

 

For upgrades, I heartily recommend the Avatar 410 NEO. Goes about as low as you would need (ie handles low B and even A fine), sounds good, is lightweight (65 lbs), and relatively inexpensive (~$400 plus shipping). I play in a three piece, alt, modern, and classic rock, and it cuts through fine, but my guitard isn't a high volume guy (thank god). What do you have to compete with?

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The Ampeg 210 is a great cab IF you have a 1x15 or 1x18 to carry the lows. It farts pretty quickly, as you have noticed, as it is only rated at like 300W IIRC, and your GK puts out ~700? Its not a good cab/head match.


For upgrades, I heartily recommend the Avatar 410 NEO. Goes about as low as you would need (ie handles low B and even A fine), sounds good, is lightweight (65 lbs), and relatively inexpensive (~$400 plus shipping). I play in a three piece, alt, modern, and classic rock, and it cuts through fine, but my guitard isn't a high volume guy (thank god). What do you have to compete with?

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well it would be used in a few of bands - a couple of which are 5 and 6 pieces so there is generally lots of sound to compete with ...

 

I was wondering about the 700 to 300 deal ... I don't understand that at all ... what should i be looking for? (perhaps I should be looking for a bass amps for dummies book ;) )

 

should I be looking for a 1-15 to compliment the 2-10 (I am also concerned some of the farty noises are coming from a problem with the cab but maybe not - it only seems to happen after its been used for an hour and the volume is pretty high) ... or maybe I should be looking for a new cab set up altogether

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well it would be used in a few of bands - a couple of which are 5 and 6 pieces so there is generally lots of sound to compete with ...


I was wondering about the 700 to 300 deal ... I don't understand that at all ... what should i be looking for? (perhaps I should be looking for a bass amps for dummies book
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should I be looking for a 1-15 to compliment the 2-10 (I am also concerned some of the farty noises are coming from a problem with the cab but maybe not - it only seems to happen after its been used for an hour and the volume is pretty high) ... or maybe I should be looking for a new cab set up altogether

I used a 2x10 for a long time as a stand alone cab. I'd check and see if one of the drivers in that cab is blown.

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by the way the dent in paper thats int he center of the speaker - is that the driver cone?

 

That's the dust cap. the Cone is the whole paper part. If there is some rips where the cone connects to the basket (the metal), the speaker will "fart".

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That's the dust cap. They tend not to get bent out of shape unless something funny has gone on.

 

What you are describing could be (1) a blown driver in your current cab, (2) you asking the cabinet for more than it can give, (3) an EQ problem, (4) all in your head... okay, okay, I kid. But seriously, without hearing it it is hard for me to make useful comments. The best thing to do is to take your head(s) and plug them into other cabinets until you find one you love.

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thanks guys that makes sense ... i appologize for being green on much of this ...

 

outside of the which one sounds best approach (which I will be doing a lot of tonight) ... what should I look for in the specs of a new cab to get the big clear lows, is the 15 a must? what about the 700 / 300 deal (head is a 700 old cab was a 300?)?

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thanks guys that makes sense ... i appologize for being green on much of this ...


outside of the which one sounds best approach (which I will be doing a lot of tonight) ... what should I look for in the specs of a new cab to get the big clear lows, is the 15 a must? what about the 700 / 300 deal (head is a 700 old cab was a 300?)?

 

 

Don't worry about the wattage ratings of the amp and cab, they're not that important.

The simple solution is to buy a 1x15, 2x12 or 4x10 to put underneath it. Make sure your 2x10 is 8ohms; if it's 4ohms, sell it, you can't add a cab to it with the GK amp, the resistance will be too low. If it's 8ohms, pick out a cab that you like and add it onto your rig. The more speakers you have the louder and clearer you'll be.

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How loud are you playing? What are your amp settings? What are your bass settings?

 

 

I ussually practice pretty loud - the volume on my GK head is 3/4s ... most everything else is strait up ... I have the voicing at zero for both contour and presence ... the active eq high /mid high/ mid low / low are all about the middle (occasionally I tweek them a little each way but very slightly) ... the bi amp output is - boost at 1/3 and tweeter and woofer are strait up in the middle ... admitedly I don't really get what bi amp output is (perhaps when using multiple cabs - so maybe i shouldn't have that on at all) or voicing filters ...

 

I run it strait out into the ampeg 2/10 cab

 

I play a Ventura lawsuit SG bass (occasionally I play a mustang or a telecaster bass but ussually the Ventura) ... volume at 9 and the tone varies between 4 and 9 ... I ussually use the blended pickup

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Don't worry about the wattage ratings of the amp and cab, they're not that important.

The simple solution is to buy a 1x15, 2x12 or 4x10 to put underneath it. Make sure your 2x10 is 8ohms; if it's 4ohms, sell it, you can't add a cab to it with the GK amp, the resistance will be too low. If it's 8ohms, pick out a cab that you like and add it onto your rig. The more speakers you have the louder and clearer you'll be.

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thanks, I am 99% sure its 8 ohms ... if I add a 15, 2/12, or 410 will that make the distorted lows from the 2/10 cab non existant ... or will I have clean and distorted ... my inclination is to get a 15 and mix them because it seems thats what folks keep saying i need for the lows ...

 

of course the wrinkle in all this is I have a show on sat and the repair shop in houston is booked for months (in case it is a problem with the 2/10 cab beyond me just pushing it to hard) so I am toying with the idea of buying a full new cab setup ... although its a large venue so I am sure i'll be direct out so the large cab might not be needed ...

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thanks, I am 99% sure its 8 ohms ... if I add a 15, 2/12, or 410 will that make the distorted lows from the 2/10 cab non existant ... or will I have clean and distorted ... my inclination is to get a 15 and mix them because it seems thats what folks keep saying i need for the lows ...


of course the wrinkle in all this is I have a show on sat and the repair shop in houston is booked for months (in case it is a problem with the 2/10 cab beyond me just pushing it to hard) so I am toying with the idea of buying a full new cab setup ... although its a large venue so I am sure i'll be direct out so the large cab might not be needed ...

 

 

Chances are it's not blown. There's a simple way to tell: take off teh grill, and *gently* push the cones *evenly* in and let them spring out. If you hear a scratching noise, it's most likely blown. If you don't hear anything, rock on.

 

I have the GK1001rbII and I was playing a show with my 2x10/2x12 stack, and I started hearing this god awful noise - the 2x10 was at max excursion, distorting like crazy. No idea why, I'd used it like this before, but I unplugged it and finished the set on the 2x12 as a standalone. Once I got it home, I plugged my amp into it and let it have it, and it had no issues whatsoever.

 

I don't really like 2x10's as standalones. My advice is to buy a 4x10 cab that you can use as a standalone for most situations, and if you need the 2x10 for a large venue, add it on. I play every single stage we play with a 2x12 and 4x10 stack now.

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are the 2/12's or 15 necessary for the lows ... or can i get that from a 410 ?

 

 

You can get them from a 4x10 no problem, just look for one that's ported.

 

A Peavey 410TVX is pretty much right up your alley. Same with the Avatar 410 NEO.

 

Also, I don't know how much dough you have to spend, but if you can get one of the GK 410RBH cabs, you'll be SET. Son of a bitch is that a loud cab with the 1001rbII. I even liked the GK 410SBX+, it was loud and low, but also sealed so it was a nice tight sound.

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A 2x10 is not enough. Get at least a good 4x10. Some 2x12s sound good, but if you're in a loud band I don't think that's enough. I'm using a 6x10 now and I'm liking it very much.
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Agreed on all counts... A 210 and a 410 stacked is my go to rig these days, and it kills...

 

 

 

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by the way (here comes rads dumb question number 2 for the thread) ... to run multiple cabs from one head do you just run a seperate speaker cable out of the un used ampout on the back or is there a trick to chaining them or somehting ... (you see this is what you get when you have hippie parents that push only acoustic instruments on you) ...

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by the way (here comes rads dumb question number 2 for the thread) ... to run multiple cabs from one head do you just run a seperate speaker cable out of the un used ampout on the back or is there a trick to chaining them or somehting ... (you see this is what you get when you have hippie parents that push only acoustic instruments on you) ...

 

Yes.:)

 

Either way works, you can run both outputs from the amp, one to each cab (the way I prefer), or you can daisy-chain the cabs together. There's no special trick, just make sure that you're using two 8ohm cabs.

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You can get them from a 4x10 no problem, just look for one that's ported.


A Peavey 410TVX is pretty much right up your alley. Same with the Avatar 410 NEO.


Also, I don't know how much dough you have to spend, but if you can get one of the GK 410RBH cabs, you'll be SET. Son of a bitch is that a loud cab with the 1001rbII. I even liked the GK 410SBX+, it was loud and low, but also sealed so it was a nice tight sound.

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great ... thanks ... by the way ported? is that with, for lack of a better word, holes in it? is there a particular configuration thats ideal (back / lower front) ...

 

I looked at those Avatars and they looked great ... although is it somehting i have to order through the avatar site ... time is a little bit of an issue - fortunately money isn't a large issue because its becoming apparent to me i am not buying to supplement i am buying what I will use as my main cabinet ... so I really want to get somehting that will do me well and sound great ... I have been a bit of an ampeg-o-phile but given how much I lik the GK head maybe its time i branch out ...

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by the way (here comes rads dumb question number 2 for the thread) ... to run multiple cabs from one head do you just run a seperate speaker cable out of the un used ampout on the back or is there a trick to chaining them or somehting ... (you see this is what you get when you have hippie parents that push only acoustic instruments on you) ...

 

Depending on the head, you can do it either way, but plugging one cab into each output is usually better fot the head. Look in the FAQ for an explaination of impedance.

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