Members Bluescout Posted September 23, 2007 Members Share Posted September 23, 2007 We seem to get blamed a lot but here's another example of how tight our vehicle emissions are. While the rest of the world uses diesels to get more for their fuel money, most passenger diesels aren't allowed to be sold in the US anymore, and NONE in Massachusetts. Here's the brand new jeep, not allowed in the US. http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2007/autos/0709/gallery.jeep_wrangler_history//index.html?cnn=yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mudbass Posted September 23, 2007 Members Share Posted September 23, 2007 "It will be built in Cairo, Egypt starting next year". This is by far the most interesting thing about the article. Of all the places to build it...Egypt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members REMUS Posted September 23, 2007 Members Share Posted September 23, 2007 Emission tests don't count for much when your burning less then 20 miles to the gallon in a big SUV, the sheer volume of gas the US produces is the problem. Ok so it's a percentage cleaner than a diesel, but when you are producing over twice as much gas, it's a null and void point if you catch my drift? Also petrol and diesel is a {censored} load more expensive in the UK for instance. Are you also saying that your emission laws are more strict than ours for instance? IMO that doesn't say much about the US and i'm not sure what your point is? That seems to be a military , not for the general public? http://www.carsource.co.uk/news-Jeep-Wrangler/JEEP%C2%AE-IS-BACK-IN-UNIFORM/3014380 J8 for the military and the Unlimited for the public, which I assume will be sold in the US infact I bet it will!? I'm open to being corrected on these points because i'm no expert, but i'm willing to bet that i'm near the mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Spin Cycle Posted September 23, 2007 Members Share Posted September 23, 2007 We also drive a Hell of a lot more than other countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Psilocybin Posted September 23, 2007 Members Share Posted September 23, 2007 Americans are the devil and everyone hates us. The sooner you understand and embrace this fact, the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members King Kashue Posted September 23, 2007 Members Share Posted September 23, 2007 Also petrol and diesel is a {censored} load more expensive in the UK for instance. No, it's not. The Petrol itself is cheaper in the UK. The reason the price at the pump is higher is all the money that's being sent to Westminster (on the measure of 70-80% of the pump price). Want to spend less at the pump? Go elect a government that will lower your taxes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lug Posted September 23, 2007 Members Share Posted September 23, 2007 No, it's not. The Petrol itself is cheaper in the UK. The reason the price at the pump is higher is all the money that's being sent to Westminster (on the measure of 70-80% of the pump price). Want to spend less at the pump? Go elect a government that will lower your taxes... Without that tax, the riff-raff will be able to afford to be on the rich man's road! We'll have none of that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members REMUS Posted September 23, 2007 Members Share Posted September 23, 2007 I can see why your the king and hes just a minister But of course you are right KK due to the north sea oil, however the only way we will get a fair government into office is via an uprising and then in a few years i'm sure the elite will corrupt that one.... Did you know that every nut and bolt in the millennium stadium cost over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ranjaman Posted September 23, 2007 Members Share Posted September 23, 2007 Your emission laws are stricter than most, because most other countries don't have any.Due to the cooperation of european and japanese car manufacturers, there are no enforcible standards in europe so far. Interestingly, a test conducted by the european automobile associations showed that diesel-powered passenger vehicles are among the cleanest in europe. The top ten in may 2007: Toyota Prius 1.5 - hybridVolvo V70 2.4 Bi-Fuel - natural gasHonda Civic 1.3i-DSI - hybridSkoda Octavia Combi RS 2.0 TDI - dieselSkoda Octavia 1.6 FSI - gasolineSaab 9-5 SportCombi 1.9 TiD - dieselBMW 318 D - dieselAudi A6 2.0 TDI - dieselOpel Zafira 1.6 CNG - natural gasCitroen C5 Break 1.6 HDiF 110 FAP - diesel Link here, unfortunately only in dutch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members REMUS Posted September 23, 2007 Members Share Posted September 23, 2007 It's got something to do with a new hi pressure fuel rail technology that's available now, but older diesels are much, much worse than petrol/gasoline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lyricpoet Posted September 24, 2007 Members Share Posted September 24, 2007 Did you know that every nut and bolt in the millennium stadium cost over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members REMUS Posted September 24, 2007 Members Share Posted September 24, 2007 Yeah, there was allot of corruption, and no one was brought to justice for it. What really pisses me off is that if you rob a bank without hurting anyone, you can get serious time. But if some board of directors rips off hundreds of thousands of people stealing their pensions... more often than not, they don't even go to jail!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bluescout Posted September 24, 2007 Author Members Share Posted September 24, 2007 For instance, Ford makes a diesel Focus in europe (don't know what they call it) but it's not allowed here in the US. I guess it will be soon. They're aiming for diesels that are so clean they can be emission tested by the same machines they test gas engines with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ender_rpm Posted September 24, 2007 Members Share Posted September 24, 2007 For instance, Ford makes a diesel Focus in europe (don't know what they call it) but it's not allowed here in the US. I guess it will be soon. They're aiming for diesels that are so clean they can be emission tested by the same machines they test gas engines with. I love my focus, and would so replace it with a diesel one if it were available. Prolly the wagon version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lug Posted September 24, 2007 Members Share Posted September 24, 2007 I can see why your the king and hes just a minister But of course you are right KK due to the north sea oil, however the only way we will get a fair government into office is via an uprising and then in a few years i'm sure the elite will corrupt that one.... Uprising? Y'all already let 'em take all yer guns, ya bunch-o-nincompoops. Ya got no chance...NO CHANCE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted September 24, 2007 CMS Author Share Posted September 24, 2007 But of course you are right KK due to the north sea oil, however the only way we will get a fair government into office is via an uprising It worked for us. We celebrate that uprising on the 4th of every July. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted September 24, 2007 CMS Author Share Posted September 24, 2007 Yeah, there was allot of corruption, and no one was brought to justice for it.What really pisses me off is that if you rob a bank without hurting anyone, you can get serious time. But if some board of directors rips off hundreds of thousands of people stealing their pensions... more often than not, they don't even go to jail!? Do some research on the ENRON cases. People do jail time. It's the ones that do it and don't get caught that piss me off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted September 24, 2007 CMS Author Share Posted September 24, 2007 Your emission laws are stricter than most, because most other countries don't have any.Due to the cooperation of european and japanese car manufacturers, there are no enforcible standards in europe so far. Interestingly, a test conducted by the european automobile associations showed that diesel-powered passenger vehicles are among the cleanest in europe.The top ten in may 2007:Toyota Prius 1.5 - hybridVolvo V70 2.4 Bi-Fuel - natural gasHonda Civic 1.3i-DSI - hybridSkoda Octavia Combi RS 2.0 TDI - dieselSkoda Octavia 1.6 FSI - gasolineSaab 9-5 SportCombi 1.9 TiD - dieselBMW 318 D - dieselAudi A6 2.0 TDI - dieselOpel Zafira 1.6 CNG - natural gasCitroen C5 Break 1.6 HDiF 110 FAP - dieselLink here, unfortunately only in dutch. What pollutants were they measuring? Diesel and gasoline engines have some common emissions, and some that differ. For instance, diesel have an extremely high particulate content...essentially carbon soot IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NeonVomit Posted September 24, 2007 Members Share Posted September 24, 2007 Which commercially diesel or petrol vehicles have the best milage on average? Anyway, big, gas-guzzling cars aren't that practical in Europe. Distances are a lot smaller and it's far more densely populated than the US. Plus fuel prices do tend to be a lot higher, and public transport use is far more widespread. Different places! But yeah, developing countries are fast catching up in terms of pollution. India and China especially, I read somewhere that China is now officially the #1 polluter in the world. But nobody wants to piss them off or else they'll sneak lead into all our kids' toys or something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bluescout Posted September 24, 2007 Author Members Share Posted September 24, 2007 What pollutants were they measuring? Diesel and gasoline engines have some common emissions, and some that differ. For instance, diesel have an extremely high particulate content...essentially carbon soot IIRC. The "high particulate content" is coming way down and will be in line with gas engines soon. The VW Touareg has very high injection pressure but still not sold in Mass. EDIT: the big thing I'd like to see is diesel hybrids. Now THERE will be some mileage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members REMUS Posted September 24, 2007 Members Share Posted September 24, 2007 The "high particulate content" is coming way down and will be in line with gas engines soon. The VW Touareg has very high injection pressure but still not sold in Mass.EDIT: the big thing I'd like to see is diesel hybrids. Now THERE will be some mileage. What, with propane gas? The increases won't be as good as pure LPG, since all the propane gas will achieve is a full burn of all the diesel in the combustion chamber... meaning less fuel has to be added for the same amount of power. You can't run a diesel engine on a standard lpg injection system, and diesel fuel, due to the design of the engine, you might be able to purpose build or heavily modify one but I don't know... LPG does less miles to the gallon afaik, but it is cleaner and much cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NeonVomit Posted September 24, 2007 Members Share Posted September 24, 2007 LPG does less miles to the gallon afaik, but it is cleaner and much cheaper. How is it cheaper if it does less miles to the gallon? Is it actually cheaper to buy? Sorry, a bit clueless about all this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ranjaman Posted September 24, 2007 Members Share Posted September 24, 2007 What pollutants were they measuring? Diesel and gasoline engines have some common emissions, and some that differ. For instance, diesel have an extremely high particulate content...essentially carbon soot IIRC. The ranking is based on a weighted score of NOx, CO, CO2, HC, PM (Soot) and fuel consumption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted September 24, 2007 Moderators Share Posted September 24, 2007 Diesel sucks. You have to worry about it gelling in cold climates, so if you're out and about and parked for a significant amount of time the car needs a block heater plugged in. Unless that has changed, no thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted September 24, 2007 CMS Author Share Posted September 24, 2007 What, with propane gas? The increases won't be as good as pure LPG, since all the propane gas will achieve is a full burn of all the diesel in the combustion chamber... meaning less fuel has to be added for the same amount of power.You can't run a diesel engine on a standard lpg injection system, and diesel fuel, due to the design of the engine, you might be able to purpose build or heavily modify one but I don't know...LPG does less miles to the gallon afaik, but it is cleaner and much cheaper. You're talking about LPG Fumigation. Basically like N2O for diesel engines, but with lower emissions and no risk of engine damage. Allows more complete combustion of the diesel charge, and adds a bit of power because it burns as fuel too. Still a PITA since you're dealing with two fuels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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