Members tocs100 Posted September 28, 2007 Members Share Posted September 28, 2007 Lawsuit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members i_wanna_les_paul Posted September 28, 2007 Members Share Posted September 28, 2007 If they sell out, sometimes, they take them off the site until they're re-stocked. Nothing new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members skatalite Posted September 28, 2007 Members Share Posted September 28, 2007 From what I was told they sold out. They had them up for a couple days but had limited numbers. They're supposed to have more later this fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members chubrocker Posted September 28, 2007 Members Share Posted September 28, 2007 Why has it been so long since they'd increased their stock? They KNOW certain models really sell. Why so long to get them again?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Thumper Posted September 28, 2007 Members Share Posted September 28, 2007 I'm guessing they're sold out. If Fender had pressed a lawsuit, the SX Jazz models would be gone, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sunburstbasser Posted September 28, 2007 Members Share Posted September 28, 2007 Why has it been so long since they'd increased their stock? They KNOW certain models really sell. Why so long to get them again?? If the factory is getting a lot of orders they might not build the SX's as fast as they could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Kindness Posted September 28, 2007 Moderators Share Posted September 28, 2007 I have a fretless SX P sitting in my living room that is looking for a home. It's not mine, but if someone needs a fretless P, I can put them in touch with the owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Never_Grew_Up Posted September 29, 2007 Members Share Posted September 29, 2007 Since they come from overseas, they come via container ship. I suspect they get mass quantities a few times a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kingofthestring Posted September 29, 2007 Members Share Posted September 29, 2007 Since they come from overseas, they come via container ship. I suspect they get mass quantities a few times a year. +1:thu: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members james on bass Posted September 29, 2007 Members Share Posted September 29, 2007 Rondo seems to be pretty good at updating their available inventory. They haven't had P-basses in awhile:cry: On the plus side, the 6 string I wanted many months ago is back in stock, the Canadian $ is worth more than the US $, and the guitarist in my new band works in the US so I can ship to his office and skip the $50 duty tax! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roguetitan Posted September 29, 2007 Members Share Posted September 29, 2007 Lawsuit? Why on earth would you think lawsuit? fender allows other companys to use their P,J, S and T design. you must have Fender mixed up with Rickenbacker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Kindness Posted September 29, 2007 Moderators Share Posted September 29, 2007 Why on earth would you think lawsuit? fender allows other companys to use their P,J, S and T design. you must have Fender mixed up with Rickenbacker. Fender is attempting to secure trademark rights to their body shapes. If they are successful (it is in the opposition process at the USPTO) they will likely shut down a lot of the copyists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sunburstbasser Posted September 29, 2007 Members Share Posted September 29, 2007 Fender is attempting to secure trademark rights to their body shapes. If they are successful (it is in the opposition process at the USPTO) they will likely shut down a lot of the copyists. They have been for a while, I think. And if they do, they'll all just extend the upper horn and offset the body a little bit and viola! Legality! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roguetitan Posted September 29, 2007 Members Share Posted September 29, 2007 Fender is attempting to secure trademark rights to their body shapes. If they are successful (it is in the opposition process at the USPTO) they will likely shut down a lot of the copyists. Meh... I don't think they will bother spending the cash it would take to get pushed through the courts; like sunburstbasser said, change the design to a slight vairiation and it is legal. Most other copys have already acomplished this by slightly changing the headstock design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Goofball Jones Posted September 29, 2007 Members Share Posted September 29, 2007 Fender is attempting to secure trademark rights to their body shapes. If they are successful (it is in the opposition process at the USPTO) they will likely shut down a lot of the copyists. If they succeed, then your pretty Lakland you have in your picture won't be getting sold anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Kindness Posted September 29, 2007 Moderators Share Posted September 29, 2007 Meh... I don't think they will bother spending the cash it would take to get pushed through the courts; like sunburstbasser said, change the design to a slight vairiation and it is legal. Most other copys have already acomplished this by slightly changing the headstock design. If Fender makes it through the opposition process with rights in their designs, you can bet they are going after every manufacturer they can find. Letters have already been sent to all the usual suspects. These trademark applications are preparation for war. (and as sbb notes, they've been preparing for a while) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Kindness Posted September 29, 2007 Moderators Share Posted September 29, 2007 If they succeed, then your pretty Lakland you have in your picture won't be getting sold anymore? Not with that body style OR not without paying Fender royalties... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members PrestiaRules Posted September 29, 2007 Members Share Posted September 29, 2007 I think the Js likely outsell the Ps. It seems that in China and Korea (from talking to manufacturers here and over there.....and judging by 9 to 1 J to P ratio at guitar market here) the demand is much MUCH higher for Js. This could mean that the factory Team Intl (the company who makes SX for Rondo) uses might be dedicating most of their time to Js and Rondo will have to wait for the next run of Ps... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jazz Ad Posted September 29, 2007 Members Share Posted September 29, 2007 If Fender makes it through the opposition process with rights in their designs, you can bet they are going after every manufacturer they can find. Letters have already been sent to all the usual suspects. These trademark applications are preparation for war. (and as sbb notes, they've been preparing for a while)It makes no sense. The body design is over 50 year old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Kindness Posted September 29, 2007 Moderators Share Posted September 29, 2007 It makes no sense. The body design is over 50 year old. That's what all of the companies and people that are opposing the trademark are saying. FWIW, I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members King Kashue Posted September 29, 2007 Members Share Posted September 29, 2007 That's what all of the companies and people that are opposing the trademark are saying. FWIW, I agree. However, Gibson's LP body shape is almost as old and they've kept it protected... In Fender's case it seems an absolutely huge task for them. Fender's allowed it for almost 30 years and there are dozens (if not hundreds) of makers copying them, from SX and their $125 guitars to Sadowsky and Lull and Lakland and Suhr and their copies in the thousands. How do you just wake up 25 years later and say "oh yeah, we forgot, we actually do care if people copy us"?... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Perfessor Posted September 29, 2007 Members Share Posted September 29, 2007 If the factory is getting a lot of orders they might not build the SX's as fast as they could. That's alot of basses. Some of those factories make a thousand per month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bassment zombie Posted September 29, 2007 Members Share Posted September 29, 2007 Sorry to bunk the conspiracy theories here, but wanted to chime in with the info: Kurt told me (via email) that demand was outpacing his supply for the SX Precisions. He hasn't gotten any new Precisions for quite a while because he was waiting for the factory to complete his orders/shipment of new stock. He expects his new stock of Precisions to arrive by late October. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Kindness Posted September 29, 2007 Moderators Share Posted September 29, 2007 However, Gibson's LP body shape is almost as old and they've kept it protected... In Fender's case it seems an absolutely huge task for them. Fender's allowed it for almost 30 years and there are dozens (if not hundreds) of makers copying them, from SX and their $125 guitars to Sadowsky and Lull and Lakland and Suhr and their copies in the thousands. How do you just wake up 25 years later and say "oh yeah, we forgot, we actually do care if people copy us"?... That is the basic argument against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ender_rpm Posted September 29, 2007 Members Share Posted September 29, 2007 I thought Leo did that on purpose? IIRC, he protected the headstock design, but bot the body so that people could compare and buy the higher quality version (ie his). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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