Members zoso411 Posted October 16, 2007 Members Share Posted October 16, 2007 I am trying to understand exactly what cab I should buy for my Peavey Max 450 head. Here are the specs.... Compact top box design 450 Watts at 2 Ohms 300 Watts at 4 Ohms 170 Watts at 8 Ohms 3-band active EQ with shiftable mid-range control Contour control 10 dB pad switch (active/passive pickup switch)Buffered tuner send jack Footswitchable post-EQ effects loop Electronically balanced XLR jack Pre-/Post-EQ send switch for XLR jack Ground lift switch for XLR jack DDT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitargod0dmw Posted October 16, 2007 Members Share Posted October 16, 2007 450 Watts at 2 Ohms 300 Watts at 4 Ohms 170 Watts at 8 Ohms I am under the assumption, that if the BR410 is rated at 8ohms (that is what it says in the specs for the cab), then the head will only send 170 watts. Is this the case? In that event, what cab would be recommended? Based on the specs you have provided, yes your amp will send 170 watts to an 8 ohm cab. If you wanted to get maximum wattage out of your head, you would want to get a 2 ohm cab (which I'm not too sure they regularly make...if at all), (2) 4 ohm cabs, or (4) 8 ohm cabs. As far as what cab to get: That totally depends on your price range, what type of music your playing, how much weight you want to lug around, how many speakers, what size speakers. Fill in some blanks and we'll recommend a few winners. I'm generally not a fan of Carvin gear, since you can't try it out before you buy it...but they do have good prices. In that price range, I'd look at Dr. Bass or Avatar for new stuff...and just about anything else for used stuff. Heck, you can get an Aguilar at that price if you look hard enough... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Poltergeist Posted October 16, 2007 Members Share Posted October 16, 2007 ^^ what he said... be more specific - what kinda tone do you want, etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Kindness Posted October 16, 2007 Moderators Share Posted October 16, 2007 In nearly every instance, the best solution is a single cabinet that is large/loud enough to cover your volume needs and keeps your load at 4 ohms or 8 ohms. If the cabinet is on the small side, it is better to get it at 8 ohms so you can add another if needed. Your amp puts out plenty of power to cover most reasonable volume needs with an efficient cabinet. Heck, on Monday I buried a drummer and guitarist with an 85 watt amp into a single 1x15 + 1x8 cabinet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zoso411 Posted October 16, 2007 Author Members Share Posted October 16, 2007 I play in an experimental rock/metal band. I play a lot of harmonies and try to compensate for only having one guitar player, especially during lead parts. I have read that in order to achieve the best tone out of a cab, you need to have the ohms matched where enough power is making it to the speakers. I was unsure about the 4x10 carvin cab, because if it is rated @ 800 watts, I thought 170 watts would not be enough to push it. In that case, would a 4 ohm 2x10 cab be more efficient? Mainly this one: http://www.carvin.com/products/group.php?CID=BRX The head would send 300 watts, to a 600 watt cab, thus creating more low end. Am I correct in assuming this? I hope I am not being confusing, I just really don't understandall of this! Thank you guys so much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Poltergeist Posted October 16, 2007 Members Share Posted October 16, 2007 how much are you willing to pay for a cab? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zoso411 Posted October 16, 2007 Author Members Share Posted October 16, 2007 400.00 currently, as I need a cab asap for upcoming gigs. I had been using a 4x10 Hartke "transporter", but it was a friends, and he of course needs to use it now. The Hartke just sounded weak, and I am pretty sure it is an 8 ohm cab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Kindness Posted October 16, 2007 Moderators Share Posted October 16, 2007 I play in an experimental rock/metal band. I play a lot of harmonies and try to compensate for only having one guitar player, especially during lead parts.I have read that in order to achieve the best tone out of a cab, you need to have the ohms matched where enough power is making it to the speakers. I was unsure about the 4x10 carvin cab, because if it is rated @ 800 watts, I thought 170 watts would not be enough to push it. The manufacturer's rated thermal handling has no bearing on efficiency. In fact, most often, it has very little bearing on anything worthwhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ender_rpm Posted October 16, 2007 Members Share Posted October 16, 2007 Avatar 212 is 299, 410 is 379, both are neo (lightweight) drivers. And both will probably bury the carvin. I prefer the vintagey thump of the 410, some guys prefer the mid-forward sound of the 212 (which it sounds like you may like), but you really can't go wrong with either box. Get one in 4 ohms, and go rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rummy Posted October 16, 2007 Members Share Posted October 16, 2007 I know somebody here uses one of these. http://www.carvin.com/products/single.php?ItemNumber=LS1503&CID=LS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zoso411 Posted October 17, 2007 Author Members Share Posted October 17, 2007 I know somebody here uses one of these.http://www.carvin.com/products/single.php?ItemNumber=LS1503&CID=LS Honestly, would that be ideal? That actually seems like an excellent idea! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FreestyleIntruder Posted October 17, 2007 Members Share Posted October 17, 2007 Peavey 410 TVX/TXF (forget which one's which but they're both great, if in the heavy side) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pwgjam Posted October 17, 2007 Members Share Posted October 17, 2007 I use the same head through a Marshall VBC412 which sounds great! A lot better than the Peavey 410 TVX I used to use with it.Also a lot louder for some reason! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bluescout Posted October 17, 2007 Members Share Posted October 17, 2007 You want to get down to the lower ohms if you can. It means more volume. A small increase but it's something. I do the same thing with my PV Firebass amp To get to 4 ohms, you could use a single 4 ohm 410, or dual 8 ohm 210 cabs. To get to 2 ohms you could use dual 4 ohm 210s, or one 4 ohm 210 and a 4 ohm 15. The nice thing about using 2 smaller 4 ohm cabs is they are easier to move and you can use just one if that's all you need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members T. Alan Smith Posted October 17, 2007 Members Share Posted October 17, 2007 Personally I feel a more traditional setup like a 2x10" + 1x15" short stack would work for your current needs within the context of your role in the band, as well as allow you to intimately work with the cabs separately to learn their individual characteristics. You'd also be able to leave one behind when you want to travel light. Two smaller cabs are also MUCH easier to load in/out at 4:30AM when your dead tired after pounding out a rockin' show. With your tight budget, I'd be looking at Avatar speakers. Another option would be a pair of 12" drivers...either in separate cabs(two 1x12" cabs) or in one bigger cab(2x12"). Two 1x12" cabs would be even more compact than the more traditional 2x10"+1x15" setup, but wouldn't offer you anywhere near as much variety. A happy medium would be a 2x10" with a 1x12".Whatever you choose, I'd get 'em in 8 ohm versions for maximum flexibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bluescout Posted October 17, 2007 Members Share Posted October 17, 2007 Whatever you choose, I'd get 'em in 8 ohm versions for maximum flexibility. Why not 4 ohm cabs? His amp goes to 2 ohms. And more power is... more power... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Kindness Posted October 17, 2007 Moderators Share Posted October 17, 2007 Why not 4 ohm cabs? His amp goes to 2 ohms. And more power is... more power... Long term flexibility and the fact that due to the logarithmic nature of power ratings and the effects of power compression, the difference in volume between the power output at 4 ohms and 2 ohms will be negligible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitargod0dmw Posted October 17, 2007 Members Share Posted October 17, 2007 Why not 4 ohm cabs? His amp goes to 2 ohms. And more power is... more power... Because if he ever upgrades his amp...it might only do 4 ohms, and then he'd need new cabs yet again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members johnny6644 Posted October 17, 2007 Members Share Posted October 17, 2007 Two 8 ohm 2x10 Avatars would be the way to go. Check the scratch and dent section at Avatar; http://www.avatarspeakers.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members T. Alan Smith Posted October 17, 2007 Members Share Posted October 17, 2007 Two 8 ohm 2x10 Avatars would be the way to go. Check the scratch and dent section at Avatar; http://www.avatarspeakers.com/ ...if he really REALLY liked tens and absolutely despised other driver sizes. At this point, I'd recommend a 2x10 and either a 1x15 or 1x12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members T. Alan Smith Posted October 17, 2007 Members Share Posted October 17, 2007 Long term flexibility and the fact that due to the logarithmic nature of power ratings and the effects of power compression, the difference in volume between the power output at 4 ohms and 2 ohms will be negligible. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Kindness Posted October 17, 2007 Moderators Share Posted October 17, 2007 Thanks. I figured it was okay to speak for you on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rummy Posted October 17, 2007 Members Share Posted October 17, 2007 Honestly, would that be ideal? That actually seems like an excellent idea! I don't see why not. I forget who's using it here, but I know somebody here does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members johnny6644 Posted October 17, 2007 Members Share Posted October 17, 2007 ...if he really REALLY liked tens and absolutely despised other driver sizes. At this point, I'd recommend a 2x10 and either a 1x15 or 1x12. Obviously I REALLY like tens. Although maybe if I played onstage rather than in a garage band, in the garage, I might like a bit more bottom. Maybe two twelves... I briefly had a Nemesis 2x12 combo that sounded like butter, but it crapped out on me and I took it back to the store. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zoso411 Posted October 17, 2007 Author Members Share Posted October 17, 2007 I just want to thank you guys for your help. This forum ROCKS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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