Members tats_dragon Posted October 24, 2007 Author Members Share Posted October 24, 2007 If you take the pickup out of the circuit you have completely changed the analysis. This can be test NO.2. Jun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Kindness Posted October 24, 2007 Moderators Share Posted October 24, 2007 This can be test NO.2.Jun Sure, however, chances are any potential differences will be even harder to detect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tats_dragon Posted October 24, 2007 Author Members Share Posted October 24, 2007 This is basically the same as plugging a cable in the efx loop to hear the differences. Just keeps the playing constant. May be too much hassle. I propose:test no.1 - change the guitar to amp cabletest no.2 - plug the same cables in the efx loop test no.3 - change out speaker cable test no.4 - combine 1 and 3 Each test should be done with a high gain sound and clean. I think we shoudl just keep it to cheapo and Evidence Audio, unless most of you want a third cable. Just to be clear, double blind means we never reveal the cable 'til the end? Jun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LavaMan Posted October 24, 2007 Members Share Posted October 24, 2007 Physics and every scientific test on point supports our findings. Actually they show just the opposite - you need to talk to KK and about the math Steve Lampen at Belden cable provided for him. In fact, I challenge you to show me a true double blind or blind scentific test on instrument cables that supports your findings - this would include a white paper as well as audio or video... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mudbass Posted October 24, 2007 Members Share Posted October 24, 2007 Never say prunes around an old person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members catphish Posted October 24, 2007 Members Share Posted October 24, 2007 Just to be clear, double blind means we never reveal the cable 'til the end?Jun Correct, to either you or the person conducting the test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members catphish Posted October 24, 2007 Members Share Posted October 24, 2007 I challenge you to show me a true double blind or blind scentific test on instrument cables that supports your findings I'm sure we'll all line up to accept your challenge, considering you were so willing to take ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted October 24, 2007 CMS Author Share Posted October 24, 2007 I'm sure we'll all line up to accept your challenge, considering you were so willing to take ours. + Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LavaMan Posted October 24, 2007 Members Share Posted October 24, 2007 I'm sure we'll all line up to accept your challenge, considering you were so willing to take ours. Well...I just had to smile recently when James Peters correctly put you in your place... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members catphish Posted October 24, 2007 Members Share Posted October 24, 2007 Well...I just had to smile recently when James Peters correctly put you in your place... your skewed perception of reality isn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bbl Posted October 24, 2007 Members Share Posted October 24, 2007 Well...I just had to smile recently when James Peters correctly put you in your place... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members catphish Posted October 24, 2007 Members Share Posted October 24, 2007 Which is exactly why I stated in the amp forum thread I was not going to participate in the conversation until after this next testing. Yeah...I was soooo schooled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members frunobulax Posted October 24, 2007 Members Share Posted October 24, 2007 Lava, you ever hear of taking the high road? let it go. every time you post, you're looking worse and worse. like a petulant child who has to have the last word in the argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted October 24, 2007 Moderators Share Posted October 24, 2007 Lava, you ever hear of taking the high road? let it go. every time you post, you're looking worse and worse.like a petulant child who has to have the last word in the argument.Actually what detracts from LavaMan is his willingness to have others do his dirty work for him. My guess is that -1) he doesn't understand why, when or how an actual difference in cable can make an audible difference.2) he isn't willing to back his claim up that any dufus can hear the difference. If that's the case, then there shouldn't be a problem having witnesses from Chicago or VA watch him identify a clear and audible difference over and over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members frunobulax Posted October 24, 2007 Members Share Posted October 24, 2007 actually, i don't care if he takes a blind cable test or not. i can fully understand the good reasons for him not taking the test. i do feel he doesn't really have a grasp on the technical side of things. all the scientific fact he's posted appears to have been cut and pasted from elsewhere. the facts in opposition are in the posters own words. and he won't acknowledge their expertise. almost quite the opposite. i just don't get why he doesn't just say he makes a superior cable, he backs up his product, and he has many satisfied customers. he's gotten himself into this slagging match, and he won't let it go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted October 24, 2007 Moderators Share Posted October 24, 2007 actually, i don't care if he takes a blind cable test or not. i can fully understand the good reasons for him not taking the test.There were good reasons not to do so until his first post in the cable testing thread. At that point he crossed the line. He has made a claim and yet won't back it up with his own ears. That goes toward credibility, which any good vendor should want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted October 24, 2007 CMS Author Share Posted October 24, 2007 This is the song that never ends, Yes, it goes on and on my friends Some people started singing it, not knowing what it was, And they'll continue singing it forever just because Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bassred Posted October 24, 2007 Members Share Posted October 24, 2007 This is the song that never ends, Yes, it goes on and on my friends Some people started singing it, not knowing what it was, And they'll continue singing it forever just because Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tats_dragon Posted October 25, 2007 Author Members Share Posted October 25, 2007 Here's a product demo using a Sadowsky Vintage 5 string bass plugged into an Avalon U5 preamplifier.Let me know what you guys think:http://www.evidenceaudio.com/productdemo.html King Kashue are you around? I would love to nail down a date for the testing. Jun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tats_dragon Posted October 25, 2007 Author Members Share Posted October 25, 2007 Actually what detracts from LavaMan is his willingness to have others do his dirty work for him. My guess is that -1) he doesn't understand why, when or how an actual difference in cable can make an audible difference.2) he isn't willing to back his claim up that any dufus can hear the difference. If that's the case, then there shouldn't be a problem having witnesses from Chicago or VA watch him identify a clear and audible difference over and over again. I'm not doing any 'dirty work' for Lavaman by the way. I'm doing this because I love these cables so much, I will not gig without Evidence Audio. After my recent impromptu cable blind test with my buddy JC, I'm 100% confident about Test No.1. The tests 2-4 which I proposed, I have not conducted and do not know the results. It's just for info gathering. Since I am new to the Bass Forum I do want to ask if King Kashue is respected enough here that whatever he reports about test no. 1, swapping guitar to amp cable, ...... most of you will believe? Jun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roguetitan Posted October 25, 2007 Members Share Posted October 25, 2007 Here's a product demo using a Sadowsky Vintage 5 string bass plugged into an Avalon U5 preamplifier.Let me know what you guys think:http://www.evidenceaudio.com/productdemo.htmlKing Kashue are you around? I would love to nail down a date for the testing.Jun Honestly A cannot tell any audiable difference between those four clips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted October 25, 2007 Moderators Share Posted October 25, 2007 I'm not doing any 'dirty work' for Lavaman by the way. . . . .Since I am new to the Bass Forum I do want to ask if King Kashue is respected enough here that whatever he reports about test no. 1, swapping guitar to amp cable, ...... most of you will believe?No. You're actually stepping up to the plate and I hope that regardless of what happens with the testing you remain a contributor within this forum. As far as Kashue, he's a meticulous enough dude, that if he witnesses you identifying cables in a proper test, I'd believe you can hear a difference. For the record you replied to a post of mine where I recognized that I heard differences between a tweed Fender cable and George L's from a Gibson Les Paul into a Vox AC15. I saw the cable changes though, so I'm not willing to go out on a limb and suggest my imagination didn't fool me. However, it would be interesting if you did this test with guitar to guitar amp as well as bass to bass amp. If you heard the difference with the guitar signal, but not with the bass signal, this may show evidence of several different positions taken in these threads as correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted October 25, 2007 Moderators Share Posted October 25, 2007 Honestly A cannot tell any audiable difference between those four clips.The EA clip had more information around 100 HZ and 800 Hz. The Monster clip was a bit more nasal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members willsellout Posted October 25, 2007 Members Share Posted October 25, 2007 I would say there might be a slight difference, however I don't think it's anything but minute. Who knows with computer speakers and mp3 compression. Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tats_dragon Posted October 25, 2007 Author Members Share Posted October 25, 2007 No. You're actually stepping up to the plate and I hope that regardless of what happens with the testing you remain a contributor within this forum. As far as Kashue, he's a meticulous enough dude, that if he witnesses you identifying cables in a proper test, I'd believe you can hear a difference. For the record you replied to a post of mine where I recognized that I heard differences between a tweed Fender cable and George L's from a Gibson Les Paul into a Vox AC15. I saw the cable changes though, so I'm not willing to go out on a limb and suggest my imagination didn't fool me. However, it would be interesting if you did this test with guitar to guitar amp as well as bass to bass amp. If you heard the difference with the guitar signal, but not with the bass signal, this may show evidence of several different positions taken in these threads as correct. If King Kashue is willing to bring his bass rig I would be happy to include the bass to bass amp test. Although my original contention is that when the rest of the signal chain is upgraded, the differences are easier to hear.As I mentioned earlier, the differences were very easy to detect on high gain settings opposed to the clean channel. Jun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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