Moderators ThudMaker Posted October 24, 2007 Moderators Share Posted October 24, 2007 I think he's getting at that on the hollow body, the top half of the body (bass side) was carved out, while the bottom half (treble side) is still solid and heavier, which would make a lower CG. If this is the case it makes no difference to neck dive, all that matters is the total weight and where the upper strap button is. So when the total weight is less (hollow body) there is more dive.That's exactly what I'm getting at, except what I'm thinking at the moment is the mass of the bridge has more of an effect on the semi-hollow body than it does on the solid. I have to admit though, I'm slowly but surely beginning to see mass and center of gravity from the L-1329/kindness angle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members L-1329 Posted October 24, 2007 Members Share Posted October 24, 2007 That's exactly what I'm getting at, except what I'm thinking at the moment is the mass of the bridge has more of an effect on the semi-hollow body than it does on the solid. I have to admit though, I'm slowly but surely beginning to see mass and center of gravity from the L-1329/kindness angle. What you're observing will have an effect on how the bass hangs, but only from the perspective of how "flat" the bass is when you have it on a strap. Such as, does the top tend to pull or face away from you or does it stay vertical. Not really noticible unless you have a bass with a forward strap button on the back of the bass like a T-Bird, or Mockingbird, Explorer etc. As far as neck dive goes, what you're thinking has no effect at all. Weight and where it's centered is all that matters with neck dive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members frunobulax Posted October 24, 2007 Members Share Posted October 24, 2007 First you calculate the center of mass for the object. Then you identify the upward torque of the force applied to the strap button in relation to the center of mass to counteract potential neck dive. Since the hollowbody's center of mass is located further towards the nut, it requires more force to counteract neckdive. would a balanced cable significantly effect the neckdive of the bass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Pickdust Posted October 24, 2007 Members Share Posted October 24, 2007 MMMmmmmm sparkley! I likes it a lots! One question ..............how's the neck-dive? (runs and hides behind newly acquired high powered projectile shielding.......) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Kindness Posted October 24, 2007 Moderators Share Posted October 24, 2007 Correct. I understand removing weight forward of center moves the weight towards the headstock. I'm also considering that the weight was removed from above, not below. Taking both ASATs, one semi-hollow and the other solid, my premise is that the heavy G&L bridge has more affect on the balance of the semi-hollow body than it does on the solid. Ah ha. I was unaware that the hollowing out of the ASAT occurred mainly above the center of gravity of the instrument. I see your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted October 24, 2007 Moderators Share Posted October 24, 2007 Ah ha. I was unaware that the hollowing out of the ASAT occurred mainly above the center of gravity of the instrument. I see your point.I could be very wrong here. I'm taking a guess where the biggest chunk has been removed. Hmmm. I'm going to visit the local G&L dealer and see if they have one. I am very curious now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Kindness Posted October 24, 2007 Moderators Share Posted October 24, 2007 My Lakland Hollowbody has an oversized body explicitly to counteract what would otherwise be a neck heavy design. The removing of material from the body causes more of a neckdive problem. However, the Lakland is a true hollowbody, with the entire body being hollow. Therefore most of the material "removed" occurs below the CG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Thunderbroom Posted October 24, 2007 Author Members Share Posted October 24, 2007 Shoulda known that this would turn into some sort of engineering discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members L-1329 Posted October 24, 2007 Members Share Posted October 24, 2007 ^ | Now I know you're all into the BEAD thing, but don't you think BEA is taking it a little too far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Optimus Prime Posted October 24, 2007 Members Share Posted October 24, 2007 Looks like someone stirred glitter into mustard and painted it on that bass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted October 24, 2007 Moderators Share Posted October 24, 2007 Shoulda known that this would turn into some sort of engineering discussion. Engineering or not, that is a very nice looking ASAT!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Kindness Posted October 24, 2007 Moderators Share Posted October 24, 2007 According to the G&L site, the F-holed ASAT is a "chambered" semi-hollow design. And I made the assumption that the chambers were mostly below the CG. I had no basis for that assumption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Robin Posted October 24, 2007 Members Share Posted October 24, 2007 Looks like someone stirred glitter into mustard and painted it on that bass. Beautiful isn't it? :love: I want!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Thunderbroom Posted October 25, 2007 Author Members Share Posted October 25, 2007 Still no word from the seller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members misterhinkydink Posted October 25, 2007 Members Share Posted October 25, 2007 Still no word from the seller. Are three-bangers the new trend? I'll never be able to keep up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members catphish Posted October 25, 2007 Members Share Posted October 25, 2007 Are three-bangers the new trend? I'll never be able to keep up. Yes, tuned B, D, C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Captain Fathead Posted October 25, 2007 Members Share Posted October 25, 2007 Still no word from the seller. As I said before, there is a copy of that at one of the places on 48th Street. If the seller doesn't show, I could PM you the number and you could see if they'd ship (don't see why they wouldn't). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Thunderbroom Posted October 25, 2007 Author Members Share Posted October 25, 2007 As I said before, there is a copy of that at one of the places on 48th Street. If the seller doesn't show, I could PM you the number and you could see if they'd ship (don't see why they wouldn't). Hook me up! He took it off the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Captain Fathead Posted October 25, 2007 Members Share Posted October 25, 2007 Boo... I'll swing up there after work to figure out which store it is. It's not the really tall one (Rudy's I think). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mike fitzwell Posted October 25, 2007 Members Share Posted October 25, 2007 Hook me up! He took it off the market. DAMN! Sorry to hear that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members catphish Posted October 25, 2007 Members Share Posted October 25, 2007 DAMN! Sorry to hear that. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted October 25, 2007 Moderators Share Posted October 25, 2007 Wait until you guys see what I bought thanks to this thread. I'm waiting to do a couple of mods before I post pics for proof that something I purchased exists. Keep looking and good luck, T-Broom. That orange stained ASAT is really sharp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Captain Fathead Posted October 26, 2007 Members Share Posted October 26, 2007 Hook me up! He took it off the market. No such luck. It's not at Manny's anymore. I guess they closed out all their G&L stock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Texas Noise Factory Posted October 26, 2007 Members Share Posted October 26, 2007 Here's my typical playing stance with my ASAT. Its actually pretty comfortable live. And then the obligatory "You can't have just one" G&L pic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bassman1956 Posted October 26, 2007 Members Share Posted October 26, 2007 That is SOOOO hot!!! Too bad it's no longer available there. Good luck finding one elsewhere! I want to seeit at an HCBF Midwest soon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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