Whats your favorite conspiracy theory?

[bbl]

But he never demonstrated that kind of skill his entire time in the military. That shot was way above his skill level based on his prior record.

 

 

While in the military, he hit 49/50 and 48/50 from 200 yards. Please explain how the Kennedy shot was "way above his skill level based on his prior record."

[Jugghaid]

He hit 49/50 from 200 yards. Regardless of whether or not you believe that makes him a "good shot" or not, he was good enough to hit Kennedy with skill. Not luck. And I wouldn't rule out that suggestion that he was highly motivated and therefore very focused mentally. It wasn't a terribly difficult shot, anyway.

Nor was it a particularly easy one. Hitting a stationary sillhouette at 200 yards is easy. Hitting a moving target at a downward angle with your heart most likely racing and getting a head shot off is completely different altogether.

So, who else was involved? How'd they do it? Did they work with Oswald? All it takes is great mistrust in government and a bad movie.

No idea, but there are way too many coincidences (Jack Ruby) to buy the single gunman working all alone theory. There were also plenty of people who wanted Kennedy dead. His approval ratings were Bush-like before the shooting and he had pissed off a LOT of people. Coulda been anybody really. Him and his brother went after oraginzed crime. They totally {censored}ed over the CIA and military during the Bay of Pigs fiasco, and he reportedly wanted the US out of Vietnam, which also ruffled a lot of rich and powerful feathers.

But, it could have been as simple as Oswald acting alone and getting it done. Just less likely IMO. Especially since the records were sealed for 50 years or whatever the government sealed them for.

Fact is even if someone came out and told the gospel truth about what really happened, no one would believe it as there are so many conspiracy theories out there involving so many people (including LBJ). We'll never KNOW the truth.

[Jugghaid]

How is that relevant to his marksmanship? You don't have to be a good marine or combat vet to be a good shot. While in the military, he hit 49/50 and 48/50 from 200 yards. Please explain how the Kennedy shot was "way above his skill level based on his prior record."

 

 

Barely qualifying (1 point above marksman) is not a good shot. At all.

 

And where did you get the information that he hit 49/50 and 48/50. considering the test maxes out at 350 (table 1/1A ad table 2 combines), I doubt he scored nearly that high. Even taking the 191 as being table 1/1A that would mean that he missed a whole lot more than 1 or 2 targets.

[Spin Cycle]

The more you read about LBJ the more plausible the idea that he had Kennedy whacked. Whaaaat a slimeball.

[Jugghaid]

The more you read about LBJ the more plausible the idea that he had Kennedy whacked. Whaaaat a slimeball.

 

 

He was a real piece of work, and an egomaniac to boot. that's for sure.

[bbl]

The more you read about LBJ the more plausible the idea that he had Kennedy whacked. Whaaaat a slimeball.

 

 

The more you read about Oswald, the more plausible the idea that he shot Kennedy, and did it alone.

[ThudMaker]

The real JFK conspiracy is that everybody, even the Feds, keep the conspiracies going. It's been almost 45 years for pete's sake. For the record I believe in the official government version of what happened until some whack job puts forth more compelling evidence for one of the conspiracy theories than is already available.

[Jugghaid]

The more you read about Oswald, the more plausible the idea that he shot Kennedy, and did it alone.

 

 

True. Especially the General Walker deal. Most people aren't even aware of that whole episode. He was a kooky bastard and it's entirely possible he practiced his ass off and got way better at shooting. But I don't think he was really alone in it. I think he was put up to it. And I don't think he was alone.

[ThudMaker]

True. Especially the General Walker deal. Most people aren't even aware of that whole episode. He was a kooky bastard and it's entirely possible he practiced his ass off and got way better at shooting. But I don't think he was really alone in it. I think he was put up to it. And I don't think he was alone.

He may not have been. Who would he have been in bed with that he was so afraid to roll? The mob? That would be the one group I could think of, especially since they got him elected (Chicago votes) and he cracked down on them.

[wades_keys]

And I don't think he was alone.

 

 

2 words.

 

Carlos Marcello.

[bbl]

No idea, but there are way too many coincidences (Jack Ruby) to buy the single gunman working all alone theory. There were also plenty of people who wanted Kennedy dead. His approval ratings were Bush-like before the shooting and he had pissed off a LOT of people. Coulda been anybody really. Him and his brother went after oraginzed crime. They totally {censored}ed over the CIA and military during the Bay of Pigs fiasco, and he reportedly wanted the US out of Vietnam, which also ruffled a lot of rich and powerful feathers.

- Jack Ruby, the short-fused emotional club owner who loved his President?
- The mafia, who would bring attention to themselves by carrying out the most publicized hit in the world?
- Kennedy wanted to get out of Vietnam?

[Bigfiddle]

USSA!

[Roguetitan]

i don't think we'll evern know what truly happened, and it's been debated to death. however, I'm pretty sold that Oswald did not act alone. There were other people involved.

 

Me Personally

I am 99.9% sure that one bullet traveled throuhh JFK and into Conoly

 

Oswald may have been hired to do it but he was the only shooter IMO

There is another conspiracy theroy that Jack Ruby killed Oswald in fear that oswald was going to turn states evidence on whoever hired him . round and round we go , where it stops who knows:rolleyes:

[Jugghaid]

Who said his heart was racing, and that his racing heart/andrenaline diminished his capabilities? It's just as likely, or more likely, that andrenaline enhanced his capabilities, not diminished them.

Have you ever shot competition? One of the things you need to learn to do is control your heart rate and breathing. Not easy to do when you are all jacked up on adrenaline. You have that one really backwards.

- Jack Ruby, the short-fused emotional club owner who loved his President? - The mafia, who would bring attention to themselves by carrying out the most publicized hit in the world? - Kennedy wanted to get out of Vietnam?

-Jack Ruby, the mob connected nightclub owner?
-tha Mafia, who possibly had the perfect fall guy and at the time owned 1/2 the politicians in D.C.?
-And yes, I have read in several different places that Kennedy realized very early on we shouldn't be there. He wanted to pull out. Defense contractors and the Pentagon did not. Neither did LBJ. One of many possible conspiracy theories and yet more people who wanted JFK out of the way. 3 weeks before he was killed JFK met with Prime Minister Pearson of Canada and asked him how to get out of Vietnam.

[bbl]

True. Especially the General Walker deal. Most people aren't even aware of that whole episode. He was a kooky bastard and it's entirely possible he practiced his ass off and got way better at shooting. But I don't think he was really alone in it. I think he was put up to it. And I don't think he was alone.

 

 

Based on what I've read/heard about Oswald, he didn't work well with others. Now, how likely is it what Oswald was working with others to carry out a plan of this magnitude. And if it's unlikely, given his skills, that he could have hit Kennedy without a lotta luck, why was he even involved?

 

I think it's difficult for many to believe that a lousyexmarine-communist-lowlife-loner-loser could take "so much" away from the world.

[King Kashue]

The Cigarette Smoking man killed Kennedy...

Dumbasses...

[Jugghaid]

Me Personally I am 99.9% sure that one bullet traveled throuhh JFK and into Conoly Oswald may have been hired to do it but he was the only shooter IMO There is another conspiracy theroy that Jack Ruby killed Oswald in fear that oswald was going to turn states evidence on whoever hired him . round and round we go , where it stops who knows:rolleyes:

 

 

That could be. Like I said, we'll never know.

[Jugghaid]

Based on what I've read/heard about Oswald, he didn't work well with others. Now, how likely is it what Oswald was working with others to carry out a plan of this magnitude. And if it's unlikely, given his skills, that he could have hit Kennedy without a lotta luck, why was he even involved? I think it's difficult for many to believe that a lousyexmarine-communist-lowlife-loner-loser could take "so much" away from the world.

Not that he didn't work well with others. He had problems with authority. He was a communist for chrissake. how can a communist not work well with others?


Many people think he did the world a favor. Again, Kennedy was not a popular prez. he is only remembered so fondly because he was assainated. At the time, much of the country couldn't stand him.

[Emprov]

Probably the biggest conspiracy of all: the world is not round! We've been tricked and deceived since 1492 and it's time we set the record straight!

[wades_keys]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Marcello

 

On March 24 1959, Marcello appeared before the Senate Committee investigating organized crime. Serving as chief counsel to the committee was Robert F. Kennedy; his brother, Senator John F. Kennedy, was a member of the committee.

 

In response to committee questioning, Marcello again invoked the Fifth Amendment in refusing to answer any questions relating to his background, activities, and associates.

 

In March 1961, the Attorney General took steps to have Marcello deported to Guatemala (the country Marcello had falsely listed as his birthplace). On 4th April, Marcello was arrested by the authorities and taken forcibly to Guatemala.

 

 

It did not take Marcello long to get back into the United States. Undercover informants reported that Marcello made several threats against John F. Kennedy, at one time uttering the traditional Sicilian death threat curse, "Take the stone from my shoe."

 

Some of those who knew him, however, suggested that Marcello did not know enough Italian to utter such a threat. In September 1962 he told private investigator Edward Becker that a dog will continue to bite you if you cut off its tail (meaning Attorney General Robert Kennedy.) Whereas if you cut off the dog's head (meaning President Kennedy), it would cease to cause trouble.

 

Becker reported that Marcello "clearly stated that he was going to arrange to have President Kennedy killed in some way." Marcello told another informant that he would need to take out "insurance" for the assassination by "setting up some nut to take the fall for the job, just like they do in Sicily."

 

Just before Kennedy was assassinated on 22nd November 1963, Jack Ruby made contact with Marcello, and another Mafia leader, Santos Trafficante, about a labor problem he was having with the American Guild of Variety Artists (AGVA).

 

After the assassination of Kennedy the Federal Bureau of Investigation investigated Marcello. They came to the conclusion that Marcello was not involved in the assassination.

 

On the other hand they also said that they "did not believe Carlos Marcello was a significant organized crime figure" and that Marcello earned his living "as a tomato salesman and real estate investor."

 

As a result of this investigation the Warren Commission concluded that there was no direct link between Ruby and Marcello.

[wades_keys]

David Ferrie had certainly cultivated Oswald's trust -he had even lent him his library card to reinforce the impression.

 

A library card in the possession of another party implies some sort of ongoing relationship and Marcello's lawyer certainly didn't miss the significance when he warned Ferrie about his library card being in the possession of Oswald.

 

Who was David Ferrie and who did he work for?

[wades_keys]

CIA contract agent Robert Morrow claimed that while working at Permindex in the early sixties he received a call from David Ferrie from Switzerland.

 

Ferrie had been instructed by CIA contacts to tell Morrow to go to Paris and pick up a packet of papers from an American couple who had recently been traveling in the Soviet Union.

 

They had been given the packet of papers by a CIA agent, a "Harvey of Minsk." Since Oswald was living in Minsk during this time, Morrow firmly believes it was Oswald who was providing information for the CIA.

 

Morrow also recounts a story about Ferrie's associate Eladio del Valle. Del Valle had called Morrow in the early autumn of 1963 and requested four walkie-talkies, low-frequency transceivers that could not be traced.

 

Morrow knew that del Valle had connections with the mafia and various anti-Castro groups. Morrow provided the equipment and believes that one of the radios he furnished can be seen in pictures taken of Dealey Plaza on November 22, 1963, hanging out of a man's back pocket.

[bbl]

-Jack Ruby, the mob connected nightclub owner? -tha Mafia, who possibly had the perfect fall guy and at the time owned 1/2 the politicians in D.C.? -And yes, I have read in several different places that Kennedy realized very early on we shouldn't be there. He wanted to pull out. Defense contractors and the Pentagon did not. Neither did LBJ. One of many possible conspiracy theories and yet more people who wanted JFK out of the way. 3 weeks before he was killed JFK met with Prime Minister Pearson of Canada and asked him how to get out of Vietnam.

 

 

Ruby owned a strip club, but that's about it. A small fish. And I doubt that, given Oswald's history and mental state, that he could be considered a good "fall guy." Would you hire him? Or would you hire someone that you knew was solid? Same with Ruby.

[wades_keys]

Ruby owned a strip club, but that's about it. A small fish. And I doubt that, given Oswald's history and mental state, that he could be considered a good "fall guy." Would you hire him? Or would you hire someone that you knew was solid? Same with Ruby.

 

THe CIA disagrees with you.

 

Check the facts about the association between David Ferrie, Ruby, Oswald and Marcello and then get back to me.

[wades_keys]

Notice how this compelling evidence of a link between CIA, mafia, and Oswald has drawn no responses.

 

Check out "Mafia Kingfish" - it is a well researched, extensively cited work from a seasoned respected journalist.