Whats your favorite conspiracy theory?

[RIC N BACKER]

Dude, you can't possibly be serious here, or am I misunderstanding you. Tell me you don't actually think WE are the cause for any of those attacks. Seriously, tell me you don't believe that...

as I understand it it, before 1941 we placed embargos and sanctions on Japan and finally we cut off oil sales to them which they viewed as provocation. there had been unrest between Japn and the US since the early 30's.

If you think our actions/involvments in the middle east( Iran,Iraq, Afghanistan, Etc...) didnt lead to the Attacks on some level you have been sleeping since the 1970's.
no offense but come on........think about it

[Thumper]

by F'ing around in the Middle east all these years it was bound to happen sooner or later. Just like cutting off the oil supply to the Japs in WWII before we were actually in the war......to make it happen. follow me now?

 

 

Um...

 

Japan invaded mainland China in 1931 to grab natural resources---which led the US to impose increasingly strict trade limitations on the Japanese government in an attempt to curb their expansionism.

 

When Japan did attack in late 1941 (ten years after their first foray into China), it was against the US at Pearl Harbor, but also at Midway Island and the Philippines. They also attacked British territory in Hong Kong and Singapore, Dutch holdings in the Dutch East Indies, and threatened to invade Australia.

 

The US didn't force Japan to attack on December 7th, and the US didn't force Al Qaeda to attack on September 11th.

[chunky-b]

My favorite is that Elvis actually died. We all know he is working as a butcher in a grovery store in Wiscosin under an assumed name!

[RIC N BACKER]

only one bullet, one shooter I believe that they have pretty much debunked that consparicy theroy. one bullet went through kennedy into connoly it has been proven that this is the most probable scenario. those who think the lunar landing was all a big hoax that was staged and filmed in a movie studio is my favorite.

 

 

 

the most probable scenario

 

yes, most probable. I like the new computer generated frame by frame they have had on discovery lately.

 

I do find it hard to believe from the lone gunman theory. he wasnt that smart a dude.....

 

that and back and to the left.....back and to the left

 

I have shot a few things in my day. no animals or people and I am no Physicist but everything I hit moved with force in the same direction as the bullet was traveling

[L-1329]

Um... The US didn't force Japan to attack on December 7th, and the US didn't force Al Qaeda to attack on September 11th.

 

 

Damn straight. People who view us as those responsible for murderous attacks on our own people are insane and about as far removed from reality as it gets. No one but the people who DID it are responsible. The US is not the reason a bunch of psychopathic suicidal killers hijacked several airplanes and flew them into the trade center, the pentagon and others, not in a million years. They planed it, they green lighted it and they carried it out. Whatever the background scenerio, or political enviornment, it's irrelevent and the responsibility falls entirely and directly on those that carried it out. If you can't understand this then your view's of personal responsibilty need to be questioned. Think about it...

 

edit: this is not directed at you, Thumper.

[Spin Cycle]

My favorite is that Elvis actually died. We all know he is working as a butcher in a grovery store in Wiscosin under an assumed name!

One of my teachers was a witness to the Tupac murder and swears the body they loaded into the ambulance was a wax dummy.

[bholder]

My favorite is that Elvis actually died. We all know he is working as a butcher in a grovery store in Wiscosin under an assumed name!

"Elvis didn't die, he just went home."

[RIC N BACKER]

Damn straight. People who view us as those responsible for murderous attacks on our own people are insane and about as far removed from reality as it gets. No one but the people who DID it are responsible. The US is not the reason a bunch of psychopathic suicidal killers hijacked several airplanes and flew them into the trade center, the pentagon and others, not in a million years. They planed it, they green lighted it and they carried it out. Whatever the background scenerio, or political enviornment, it's irrelevent and the responsibility falls entirely and directly on those that carried it out. If you can't understand this then your view's of personal responsibilty need to be questioned. Think about it...

 

 

 

 

maybe typing it out on a forum comes out wrong. you are mis reading what I am saying....or I am not being clear enough. using words like forced people to attack us is a poor choice.....

 

I am not saying we are Responsible for the attacks. I am saying that some of our dealings bring about bad results. we try to do good in the world and act when we need to for the good of all but it does build resentment by small factions and this time someone sucker punched us. as did the Japs in WWII

[RIC N BACKER]

Um... Japan invaded mainland China in 1931 to grab natural resources---which led the US to impose increasingly strict trade limitations on the Japanese government in an attempt to curb their expansionism. When Japan did attack in late 1941 (ten years after their first foray into China), it was against the US at Pearl Harbor, but also at Midway Island and the Philippines. They also attacked British territory in Hong Kong and Singapore, Dutch holdings in the Dutch East Indies, and threatened to invade Australia. The US didn't force Japan to attack on December 7th, and the US didn't force Al Qaeda to attack on September 11th.

 

 

 

you see no relation between

 

Japan invaded mainland China in 1931 to grab natural resources---which led the US to impose increasingly strict trade limitations on the Japanese government in an attempt to curb their expansionism.

 

 

what happened in 1941?

[zesty brick]

my favorite is the one about all the jews that happened to skip work at the twin towers, oddly on the same day as 9/11!

i always get a kick out of that one

[King Kashue]

My favorite is that the Freemasons are in league with the Illuminati and all these other secret societies so they can form a one-world government. Heck, it just might happen!

 

 

The Illuminati does not exist. We haven't existed since the death of Adam Weishaupt in 1830. There is no vast conspiracy to form a vast one-world government, and such a shadow government certainly does not already exist.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

fnord.

[RIC N BACKER]

my favorite is the one about all the jews that happened to skip work at the twin towers, oddly on the same day as 9/11! i always get a kick out of that one

 

 

didnt they say the FBI or the ATF wasnt at work in Oklahoma also?

[RIC N BACKER]

The Illuminati does not exist. We haven't existed since the death of Adam Weishaupt in 1830. There is no vast conspiracy to form a vast one-world government, and such a shadow government certainly does not already exist. fnord.

 

 

 

There is no vast conspiracy to form a vast one-world government

 

Never heard of the U.N huh?

 

lol

[King Kashue]

Um... Japan invaded mainland China in 1931 to grab natural resources---which led the US to impose increasingly strict trade limitations on the Japanese government in an attempt to curb their expansionism. When Japan did attack in late 1941 (ten years after their first foray into China), it was against the US at Pearl Harbor, but also at Midway Island and the Philippines. They also attacked British territory in Hong Kong and Singapore, Dutch holdings in the Dutch East Indies, and threatened to invade Australia. The US didn't force Japan to attack on December 7th, and the US didn't force Al Qaeda to attack on September 11th.

 

 

I think Ric n backer's just being rather clumsy in expressing his point.

 

When the US cut off oil shipments to Japan, we knew it would likely bring war. That's why it took so long before they stopped shipments. That's why we move the pacific fleet from San Pedro to Pearl Harbor. That's why Kimmel had them running near constant training exercises.

 

 

To me, it seems far less a clear progression of events with 9/11, but it wasn't entirely unforeseen. It also wasn't the same sort of 'straw that broke the camel's back' situation as the oil embargo was. Yes, our Cold War manipulations of the region contributed, but it wasn't a causal progression, and it seems a poor analogy on Ric's part...

 

 

On the other hand, claims that we had nothing to do with it and 9/11 came completely out of the blue are nonsense. Did our actions provide justification, of course not. It was mass murder, plain and simple. However, did our actions provide motivating factors? To say it didn't denies 60 years of history.

[Thumper]

Never heard of the U.N huh? lol

 

If you've ever seen any UN operation in person, you'd realize we have nothing to fear. It's like watching three monkeys trying to f*ck the same football.

 

My two cents.

 

[RIC N BACKER]

I think Ric n backer's just being rather clumsy in expressing his point. When the US cut off oil shipments to Japan, we knew it would likely bring war. That's why it took so long before they stopped shipments. That's why we move the pacific fleet from San Pedro to Pearl Harbor. That's why Kimmel had them running near constant training exercises. To me, it seems far less a clear progression of events with 9/11, but it wasn't entirely unforeseen. It also wasn't the same sort of 'straw that broke the camel's back' situation as the oil embargo was. Yes, our Cold War manipulations of the region contributed, but it wasn't a causal progression, and it seems a poor analogy on Ric's part... On the other hand, claims that we had nothing to do with it and 9/11 came completely out of the blue are nonsense. Did our actions provide justification, of course not. It was mass murder, plain and simple. However, did our actions provide motivating factors? To say it didn't denies 60 years of history.

 

 

 

 

thank you. I speak better than I type....lol

[King Kashue]

My beef is you seem to infer the US deliberately cut off supplies to Japan to force them to go to war. I don't believe that was the intent of the embargo. If anything, Roosevelt was pursuing diplomatic means to avoid getting dragged into a global war. Pacifism and anti-war sentiment among the American population were high as storm clouds gathered in Asia and Europe. Roosevelt thought he could avoid committing to a second Great War, and he doubted the US could fight and win on two fronts. He was wrong on both counts.

 

 

I would disagree on almost everything in this paragraph.

 

In 40 and 41 FDR was already planning with Churchill as if a US entry into the war was inevitable. The "Europe-First" position had been formulated a year before Japan bombed Pearl Harbor.

 

What the American population wanted and what FDR knew was likely necessary were miles apart based off of almost all available evidence.

[Thumper]

In the context of 1940 and 1941, I agree with you. By that time Roosevelt was making preparations for a global war, and 'Europe First' was the agenda. The full mobilization of Reserve and National Guard units on August 1940 underscores Roosevelt's appreciation of the need for rapid war preparation.

Before 1940 was a different matter imho. Domestic issues were at the forefront as the nation climbed out of the Depression.

[Roguetitan]

Fake moon landing, Holocaust denial, 9/11 conspiracies. They're all not my "favorites" but they're the ones that piss me off the most when the moonbats start yapping about them. But the magic bullet theory? Come on...hit all of those targets...went through bone and THEN came out pristine laying on a gurney? I'm not saying there was a conspiracy there, but no way could that bullet do all that and come out pristine.

 

 

You evidently don't know much about Ballistics the bullet was not pristine as you call it. however there was very little dammage to the projectile. scientist compiled all of the data, the heighth of the window at the book depository Oswald took the shot from, the angle of the shot, the location of the sedan, the angle of the entrance wounds it all boils down to geometry and it all checks out.

the shot was duplicated and very close to the same results were achieved

 

a full metal jacketed bullet would not have had very much dammage by traveling mostly through soft tissue of 2 bodys.

I think this senario is the most probable.

however you can think whatever you want.

 

you can think there were 2 shooters behind the bush in the grassy knoll if you want no matter how ridiculous that theroy is, especially since JFK and Connoly was struck from behind and not in the front.

 

Oswald was the only shooter and he only shot once believe it or not.:poke:

[Apendecto]

This is my fav: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=af07

 

 

Hahah. I forgot about that one. That guy is hilarious.

 

Yo.

[RIC N BACKER]

There certainly is a relationship. My point is Japan created the mess by invading China in 1931. It took ten years of failed diplomatic efforts before the Japanese launched a war of aggression, which they justified as a preemptive strike to protect their national interests. My beef is you seem to infer the US deliberately cut off supplies to Japan to force them to go to war. I don't believe that was the intent of the embargo. If anything, Roosevelt was pursuing diplomatic means to avoid getting dragged into a global war. Pacifism and anti-war sentiment among the American population were high as storm clouds gathered in Asia and Europe. Roosevelt thought he could avoid committing to a second Great War, and he doubted the US could fight and win on two fronts. He was wrong on both counts. If you've ever seen any UN operation in person, you'd realize we have nothing to fear. It's like watching three monkeys trying to f*ck the same football. My two cents.

If you've ever seen any UN operation in person, you'd realize we have nothing to fear. It's like watching three monkeys trying to f*ck the same football.



this is absolute...lol


My beef is you seem to infer the US deliberately cut off supplies to Japan to force them to go to war.

It came off that way....true, sorry.

I meant our actions led to the final out come, not necessarily to "make" it happen.....

we were after all protecting our interests by the embargos and what not.

Trust me I support our troops in and out of war times. I am the son of a Marine and was almost one myself ....

[RIC N BACKER]

You evidently don't know much about Ballistics the bullet was not pristine as you call it. however there was very little dammage to the projectile. scientist compiled all of the data, the heighth of the window at the book depository Oswald took the shot from, the angle of the shot, the location of the sedan, the angle of the entrance wounds it all boils down to geometry and it all checks out. the shot was duplicated and very close to the same results were achieved a full metal jacketed bullet would not have had very much dammage by traveling mostly through soft tissue of 2 bodys. I think this senario is the most probable. however you can think whatever you want. you can think there were 2 shooters behind the bush in the grassy knoll if you want no matter how ridiculous that theroy is, especially since JFK and Connoly was struck from behind and not in the front. Oswald was the only shooter and he only shot once believe it or not.:poke:

 

 

 

I apprieciate your passion but

 

Oswald was the only shooter and he only shot once believe it or not

 

I just can never accept that

 

plus he fired 2 shots. the third and kill shot to Keneddy's head came from another direction.

 

besides all that horse {censored}....you wasnt there was you?

 

lol

[Roguetitan]

I just can never accept that plus he fired 2 shots. the third and kill shot to Keneddy's head came from another direction. besides all that horse {censored}....you wasnt there was you? lol

 

I am not passionate about it

I just saw a show that pretty much pointed toward the most obvious possibility.

 

It never was substantiated that oswald fired more than the fatal shot since the only projectile was found came from oswalds rifle after it passed thru JFK and Conoly.

 

you can call it horse {censored} if you wish but the tests were done and it is highly likely that Oswald was the assasin.

to answer your question No I was not there but I did stay at a Holiday Inn one time in the Dallas Fort worth area:p

[RIC N BACKER]

I am not passionate about it I just saw a show that pretty much pointed toward the most obvious possibility. It never was substantiated that oswald fired more than the fatal shot since the only projectile was found came from oswalds rifle after it passed thru JFK and Conoly. you can call it horse {censored} if you wish but the tests were done and it is highly likely that Oswald was the assasin. to answer your question No I was not there but I did stay at a Holiday Inn one time in the Dallas Fort worth area:p

 

 

 

 

LOL

[bassdudeguy]

 

 

hahaha