Members lug Posted December 18, 2007 Members Share Posted December 18, 2007 Odd. I thought it was an excess of dihydrogen monoxide that was killing off the sea life in the Gulf.dihydrogen monoxide?!?!?!?!? What will that evil Bush come up with next! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sm5719 Posted December 18, 2007 Members Share Posted December 18, 2007 i wonder if the original story was somehow funded by big oil?either way, ethanol from corn is just a dumb idea. now if they are just using as a stepping stone til they are able to make ethanol from crop waste, wood scraps, switchgrass, etc...., then i guess it's ok for a short term. but the idea of using food for fuel.... , it's a gimmik. i think when one of the dem's become prez, there will be a lot more money for research.bassman's idea of surrounding the fields with solar makes all kinds of sense. but that's probably it's downfall, things that make sense never seem to materialize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NeonVomit Posted December 18, 2007 Members Share Posted December 18, 2007 Yeah, using corn for ethanol is pretty dumb. You could like, eat it instead and help lower the rising food prices around the world. Energy crisis? There's plenty of space in America for solar panels and stuff. Windfarms, etc. (although here's a real funny one, a bunch of environmentalists somewhere in Europe were demanding that a windfarm be closed because birds would fly into the blades and get pulverized... there's really no satisfying some people is there...) Anyway, the thread title is misleading. Ethanol fuel isn't causing the dead zone. Fertilizers are. One might as well say that high-fruitcose corn syrup is causing the dead zone. Or cornbread. Or popcorn. Or corndogs. No wait... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jackcheez Posted December 18, 2007 Members Share Posted December 18, 2007 Yeah, that's why the National Renewable Energy Lab was all but closed during Clinton's tenure, and is now hoppin' like mad... ...Kinda odd for a lab like that to be funded like that by a viceroy of Big Oil, dontcha think? C7 During most of the Clinton administration, oil was plentiful and selling at less than $20 a barrel. No mystery there. http://inflationdata.com/inflation/Inflation_Rate/Historical_Oil_Prices_Table.aspTo the thread topic. Ethanol has nothing to do with the dead zone (by the way, you couldn't plan for failure any more efficently than to use corn for the production of ethanol). It was there before all this corn based ethanol production started. It's the result of fertilizers, soil erosion, animal wastes, and sewage. In U.S. waters, dead zones exist in Chesapeake Bay, off the coast of Oregon, and in Lake Erie as well as the Gulf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sm5719 Posted December 18, 2007 Members Share Posted December 18, 2007 Yeah, using corn for ethanol is pretty dumb. You could like, eat it instead and help lower the rising food prices around the world.Energy crisis? There's plenty of space in America for solar panels and stuff. Windfarms, etc. (although here's a real funny one, a bunch of environmentalists somewhere in Europe were demanding that a windfarm be closed because birds would fly into the blades and get pulverized... there's really no satisfying some people is there...)Anyway, the thread title is misleading. Ethanol fuel isn't causing the dead zone. Fertilizers are. One might as well say that high-fruitcose corn syrup is causing the dead zone. Or cornbread. Or popcorn. Or corndogs. No wait... causing the dead zone and a main cause for our life expectancy to decline for the first time in the history of man-kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators isaac42 Posted December 18, 2007 Moderators Share Posted December 18, 2007 Odd. I thought it was an excess of dihydrogen monoxide that was killing off the sea life in the Gulf. Then you were mistaken. Dihydrogen monoxide is essential to the Gulf ecosystem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators isaac42 Posted December 18, 2007 Moderators Share Posted December 18, 2007 During most of the Clinton administration, oil was plentiful and selling at less than $20 a barrel. No mystery there. http://inflationdata.com/inflation/Inflation_Rate/Historical_Oil_Prices_Table.aspTo the thread topic. Ethanol has nothing to do with the dead zone (by the way, you couldn't plan for failure any more efficently than to use corn for the production of ethanol). It was there before all this corn based ethanol production started. It's the result of fertilizers, soil erosion, animal wastes, and sewage. In U.S. waters, dead zones exist in Chesapeake Bay, off the coast of Oregon, and in Lake Erie as well as the Gulf. The Oregon coast dead zone does not appear to be agriculture related.http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/08/040810091946.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted December 18, 2007 CMS Author Share Posted December 18, 2007 dihydrogen monoxide?!?!?!?!? What will that evil Bush come up with next! I've heard from unnamed sources that he actually supports the spread of dihydrogen monoxide via a vapor delivery system that could forseeably encircle the globe. And nobody opposes this????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted December 18, 2007 CMS Author Share Posted December 18, 2007 Then you were mistaken. Dihydrogen monoxide is essential to the Gulf ecosystem. Scientists are still unclear. Excessive exposure to DHM in the lungs of humans has been shown to cause rapid and painful death. Other species seem capable of withstanding massive exposures without a problem for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jugghaid Posted December 18, 2007 Members Share Posted December 18, 2007 Using corn to produce ethanol is simply dumb.We use beets around here, they do much better. I read somewhere that the most effective source was a type of algae. grown in big pools. I'll see if I can find the info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bluescout Posted December 18, 2007 Members Share Posted December 18, 2007 Yeah almost 100 %. Which is one of the main reasons why they destroy their forests. There is no simple solution. Yea, everyone looks for that one-step fix. It's not going to be that easy, if it's even possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lug Posted December 18, 2007 Members Share Posted December 18, 2007 Yea, everyone looks for that one-step fix. It's not going to be that easy, if it's even possible. True, it's a two step process...electric cars to get rid of fossil fuel use and CO2 production and Nuke plants to be able to charge all the new electric cars without pumping out metric {censored}etons CO2. Eventually everyone else will figure this out, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John S. Shinal Posted December 18, 2007 Members Share Posted December 18, 2007 Since the dead zone was there for a while, and ethanol is a NEW mega-demand, ethanol is not causing the dead zone. Journalists . High fructose corn syrup (Coca Cola) is destroying the ocean people. Let's try to keep our faceless villains straight, eh ? Switchgrass is a much better crop if you simply must use an ethanol based fuel system, particularly suited to the US's Midwest farm regions. It also solves the fertilizer issue, and eventually reduces the dead zone. Switchgrass also sounds fantastic, with a beefy low end, no 60 cycle hum and it handles the low-B just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators isaac42 Posted December 18, 2007 Moderators Share Posted December 18, 2007 Scientists are still unclear. Excessive exposure to DHM in the lungs of humans has been shown to cause rapid and painful death. Other species seem capable of withstanding massive exposures without a problem for years. And it is precisely those organisms which overwhelmingly make up the Gulf ecosystem. In fact, not only can they withstand massive exposures without ill effect, they require such exposure to survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lug Posted December 18, 2007 Members Share Posted December 18, 2007 And it is precisely those organisms which overwhelmingly make up the Gulf ecosystem. In fact, not only can they withstand massive exposures without ill effect, they require such exposure to survive.essentially, we are making the earth fight itself......weeps for the Earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted December 18, 2007 CMS Author Share Posted December 18, 2007 And it is precisely those organisms which overwhelmingly make up the Gulf ecosystem. In fact, not only can they withstand massive exposures without ill effect, they require such exposure to survive. Are you telling me they have to put up with this to simply survive? When will the madness stop?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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