Members 2tall Posted December 27, 2007 Members Share Posted December 27, 2007 I'm sure their has been many debates about this subject, and maybe even here, although I do not remember one. I thought for a long time that the red pentagram inside the circle had somthing to do with witchcraft, and the symbol itself is one that some witches use. The naked man "opposing" or "fearing" the symbol, I thought meant they may have been witches or somthing. Even some of their lyrics support an anti-biblical point of view. Example: THE WEAPON from the Signals cd... "He's not afraid of your judgment He knows of horrors worse than your Hell He's a little bit afraid of dying But he's a lot more afraid of your lying And the things that he fears are a weapon to be held against him... Can any part of life be larger than life? Even love must be limited by time And those who push us down that they might climb Is any killer worth more than his crime? Like a steely blade in a silken sheath We don't see what they're made of They shout about love, but when push comes to shove They live for the things they're afraid of And the knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them..." Recently I have been doing some research on the Freemasons and their influence in our culture, and indeed many cultures worldwide. The 5 pointed pentagram is just one of the symbols used in their buildings and structures. The man's feet are also interesting because they are roughly ata 45 degree angle to one another. There is a ritual that the freemasons perform where the feet are in this position. I also have learned the a 5 pointed star goes back to ancient heiroglyphics, and the Egyptians used it to represent the star Sirius, which is the brightest star in our sky. What say you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members L-1329 Posted December 27, 2007 Members Share Posted December 27, 2007 I think you're reading WAY too much into that. Follow the story of 2112 and it will make sense. Basically the collective oppressing the individual, common to a lot of Neil's writings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Goofball Jones Posted December 27, 2007 Members Share Posted December 27, 2007 Yeah, really...reading WAY too much into it. I'm sure it's more of "hey, this looks kinda cool, let's put it on our album cover". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DevilRaysFan Posted December 27, 2007 Members Share Posted December 27, 2007 The 5 pointed pentagram actually has its roots representing fertility and the goddess, Venus..... The shape comes from the fact that the planet (goddess) Venus' celestial flight-path around the visible sky (in conjunctions with Mercury) actually "draws" out the shape of the pentagram in the sky over a course of years ( I think 11 or 12, I cant remember), hence the symbol's origin------ A discussion of how it represents "evil" ("shatains" for those who know the history), is a long and debatable story that I dont feel like getting into......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Goofball Jones Posted December 27, 2007 Members Share Posted December 27, 2007 The 5 pointed pentagram actually has its roots representing fertility and the goddess, Venus..... The shape comes from the fact that the planet (goddess) Venus' celestial flight-path around the visible sky (in conjunction with Mercury) actually "draws" out the shape of the pentagram in the sky over a course of years ( I think 11 or 12, I cant remember), hence the symbol's origin------ A discussion of how it represents "evil" ("shatains" for those who know the history), is a long and debatable story that I dont feel like getting into......... All taken from "The DaVinci Code" I'm assuming. If so, then all that is suspect. Thought the poster was talking more about why did Rush use it for their album, not what a pentagram represented....if so, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DevilRaysFan Posted December 27, 2007 Members Share Posted December 27, 2007 All taken from "The DaVinci Code" I'm assuming. If so, then all that is suspect. Thats just knowledge...As far as Dan Brown is concerned, I dont think every fact that Dan Brown used to write about was suspect: A lot of it is but I guess its up to the reader and the reader's knowledge of history ( if thats the case, everything about history one reads is suspect) to sift through what is gold and what is pyrite........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jazz Ad Posted December 27, 2007 Members Share Posted December 27, 2007 I didn't read the Da Vinci code but its true that there is a mod 5 between the orbits of the Earth and Venus. As a consequence, in a geocentric representation of the solar system, Venus's circumvolutions draw the 5 ends of a pentagram. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Goofball Jones Posted December 27, 2007 Members Share Posted December 27, 2007 Thats just knowledge...As far as Dan Brown is concerned, I dont think every fact that Dan Brown used to write about was suspect: A lot of it is but I guess its up to the reader and the reader's knowledge of history ( if thats the case, everything about history one reads is suspect) to sift through what is gold and what is pyrite........ True...but all this is suspect coming from someone that keeps changing their name here on HCBF. :poke: OH, and doesn't even play the bass anymore in a band! Though you're good on keyboards....so that makes up for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DevilRaysFan Posted December 27, 2007 Members Share Posted December 27, 2007 True...but all this is suspect coming from someone that keeps changing their name here on HCBF. :poke: No matter what my moniker, I am still devilishly handsome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SpaceGhost Posted December 28, 2007 Members Share Posted December 28, 2007 The dude sorta reminds me of Howard Roarke: Or it could be the mandatory naked man on a progressive rock cover (See Yes' Going for the One). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FromAbove Posted December 28, 2007 Members Share Posted December 28, 2007 The dude sorta reminds me of Howard Roarke: Or it could be the mandatory naked man on a progressive rock cover (See Yes' Going for the One). Neil is on the Ayn Rand bandwagon for sure. Do a little background on his writings and how they go along with Rands thinking/writing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 2tall Posted December 28, 2007 Author Members Share Posted December 28, 2007 The 5 pointed pentagram actually has its roots representing fertility and the goddess, Venus..... The shape comes from the fact that the planet (goddess) Venus' celestial flight-path around the visible sky (in conjunctions with Mercury) actually "draws" out the shape of the pentagram in the sky over a course of years ( I think 11 or 12, I cant remember), hence the symbol's origin------ A discussion of how it represents "evil" ("shatains" for those who know the history), is a long and debatable story that I dont feel like getting into......... I'm new to all this astrology stuff, but it seems fascinating (to an extent) to me.Was Venus the same as Isis?Who was Columbia...I know she stands on government building all over the US.Theres got to be somthing to all this stuff, I just dont know what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 2tall Posted December 28, 2007 Author Members Share Posted December 28, 2007 Rush even has Dionysis in their lyrics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members thelurker Posted December 28, 2007 Members Share Posted December 28, 2007 Hint - "HOLD THE RED STAR PROUDLY HIGH IN HAND". It's the symbol of the priests, who run everything. As a small note, I think it's actually a "Pentacle", not a "Pentagram". It does not have the lines left behind by drawing a star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DevilRaysFan Posted December 28, 2007 Members Share Posted December 28, 2007 As a small note, I think it's actually a "Pentacle", not a "Pentagram". It does not have the lines left behind by drawing a star. You are correct --- and silly of me not to remember because I recently saw a special with David Draiman of "Disturbed" explaining this........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 2tall Posted December 28, 2007 Author Members Share Posted December 28, 2007 Yeah, really...reading WAY too much into it. I'm sure it's more of "hey, this looks kinda cool, let's put it on our album cover". Yeah, I think there is more to it than just looking cool. Thats WAY over-rated. This symbol among others is prevalent in our world, but it has been around for thousands of years. The 5 pointed star is on many of our government buildings, along with other symbols. These symbols have origins and meanings from ancient times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Hearafter Posted December 28, 2007 Members Share Posted December 28, 2007 ...As a small note, I think it's actually a "Pentacle", not a "Pentagram". It does not have the lines left behind by drawing a star. Also, isn't a pentagram an upside-down star? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Low Tone Posted December 28, 2007 Members Share Posted December 28, 2007 I'm sure their has been many debates about this subject, and maybe even here, although I do not remember one. I thought for a long time that the red pentagram inside the circle had somthing to do with witchcraft, and the symbol itself is one that some witches use. The naked man "opposing" or "fearing" the symbol, I thought meant they may have been witches or somthing. Even some of their lyrics support an anti-biblical point of view. Example: THE WEAPON from the Signals cd... Recently I have been doing some research on the Freemasons and their influence in our culture, and indeed many cultures worldwide. The 5 pointed pentagram is just one of the symbols used in their buildings and structures. The man's feet are also interesting because they are roughly ata 45 degree angle to one another. There is a ritual that the freemasons perform where the feet are in this position. I also have learned the a 5 pointed star goes back to ancient heiroglyphics, and the Egyptians used it to represent the star Sirius, which is the brightest star in our sky. What say you? Actually, that is not a Pentagram. It's just a 5 pointed star with a circle around it. A Pentagram would have intersecting lines running though the middle of it. Granted, the man in front could be obscuring some of those lines but there are places where they should be visable and they aren't. Also, more accurately, that would be a PentACLE not a PentaGRAM. The Pentacle has the tip of the star facing up which represents spirituality and higher plains. The Pentagram has the tip of the star facing down and repersents more Earthly attributes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DevilRaysFan Posted December 28, 2007 Members Share Posted December 28, 2007 ...Well, that picture is actually a brown star with a naked man in front of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Hearafter Posted December 28, 2007 Members Share Posted December 28, 2007 Also, the Hemispheres album adorned with a naked guy. Maybe Rush was trying to tell us something... He does have a nice Kevin Bacon mullet, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DevilRaysFan Posted December 28, 2007 Members Share Posted December 28, 2007 Also, the Hemispheres album adorned with a naked guy. Maybe Rush was trying to tell us something... Is it "We have naked man on the brain" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bholder Posted December 28, 2007 Members Share Posted December 28, 2007 I didn't read the Da Vinci code but its true that there is a mod 5 between the orbits of the Earth and Venus. As a consequence, in a geocentric representation of the solar system, Venus's circumvolutions draw the 5 ends of a pentagram. Reminds me of the "Spirograph" toy I had when I was a kid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rikshaw Posted December 28, 2007 Members Share Posted December 28, 2007 He does have a nice Kevin Bacon mullet, though. he needs to turn his head a little more to be sure that it is actually a mullet. it might just be long hair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DevilRaysFan Posted December 28, 2007 Members Share Posted December 28, 2007 he needs to turn his head a little more...... ....and cough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rikshaw Posted December 28, 2007 Members Share Posted December 28, 2007 ....and cough he sure does have nice buttocks... i mean he sure would make a good victim for a hatting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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