Members James Hart Posted January 17, 2008 Members Share Posted January 17, 2008 I'm not going to lie, this thread makes me want to build an entire new rig for Amy that does what she needs only better and handmade. It would be a great way to combine my love of building and my love of creative design. Do it!!! I'm just about to PM you again... Don/LDS seems on board for my Guitarded Bass combo idea (not as involved as Amy's rig... but also involves the lack of need for guitarists) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Kindness Posted January 17, 2008 Moderators Share Posted January 17, 2008 Do it!!! I'm just about to PM you again... Don/LDS seems on board for my Guitarded Bass combo idea (not as involved as Amy's rig... but also involves the lack of need for guitarists) I'm glad Don is on board. It should be a unique creation. Nothing I would have made for myself, but definitely something I'm excited to be a part of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JacieFB Posted January 17, 2008 Members Share Posted January 17, 2008 I assume you will want to keep your pedal board intact and bring whatever instruments are necessary. My guess is the biggest savings will be on the amp and cabinet side of things. Do you need to maintain the same volume?Basic goal = three channels of amplification for clean, effected and distorted?If so, as a first thought, a stereo pre (or two small mono pres) into a stereo power amp can cover your clean and effected and your distorted can come from another smaller amp. Like L-1329 suggests, a 2x12 is going to be enough for the Mesa sound. To piggyback on the idea of down-sizing the Recto half-stack, actually Mesa makes some damned nice 1x12 cabs, too. Same Rectifier cabinet design, just, obviously a smaller box with only one speaker. Also, by that same line of thinking, I have a Rect-O-Verb combo (50 watts, 1x12 speaker) that will approximately do what a Dual Rec can do, with the addition of reverb. I might recommend checking this out. You'd need a road case with wheels and good side handles, though. My combo is completely impractical to move in a band setting. As it's a tube combo amp, it's heavy--and the only handle it has is the leather handle on the top. Talk about a back/shin/groin buster. As far as the tone goes, I've always thought it had more personality than a Dual Rectifier...at least for guitar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jasper383 Posted January 17, 2008 Members Share Posted January 17, 2008 What is the point of bi or tri amping? If you want to add distortion to your signal, why would you want another amp to stay clean? Sorry to hijack thread, I'm just confused by all those amps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RSBro Posted January 17, 2008 Members Share Posted January 17, 2008 To piggyback on the idea of down-sizing the Recto half-stack, actually Mesa makes some damned nice 1x12 cabs, too. Same Rectifier cabinet design, just, obviously a smaller box with only one speaker. Also, by that same line of thinking, I have a Rect-O-Verb combo (50 watts, 1x12 speaker) that will approximately do what a Dual Rec can do, with the addition of reverb. I might recommend checking this out. You'd need a road case with wheels and good side handles, though. My combo is completely impractical to move in a band setting. As it's a tube combo amp, it's heavy--and the only handle it has is the leather handle on the top. Talk about a back/shin/groin buster. As far as the tone goes, I've always thought it had more personality than a Dual Rectifier...at least for guitar. Our worship leader uses a Studio .22 112 combo for church w/ his custom USA Jackson Soloist. It's pretty rad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JacieFB Posted January 17, 2008 Members Share Posted January 17, 2008 They don't make a Dual Rec combo. They make a Road King combo or a Roadster combo...which are both very similar to a Dual Rec...but they have more bells & whistles. The Road King is insane. I want one... They used to make Dual Recto Combos...back in the 90s, I believe. I ~think~ I saw one once. A guitarist friend of my drummer at the time had the Dual Rectifier Head and 4x12 cab, but decided he wanted to go with something different, so he kept the 4x12 and was using a Fender 2x12 Combo of some sort with the addition of 1/2 of the 4x12 speakers, then he had the alleged Dual Rectifier 2x12 combo pushing the other half of the 4x12. Insane. I'm 88.5% sure it was a Dual Rectifier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JacieFB Posted January 17, 2008 Members Share Posted January 17, 2008 Also, if you're just looking to shrink the footpring, you can go the 2x12 or 1x12 Rectifier cab route and perhaps swap the Dual Rectifier head for a rack-mount Dual Rectifier and put that in the bass rack. Then put your new, smaller cab on top of the SWR rig. I'd hate to have to lift that rack, but it would shrink the footprint. I believe you would give up a channel on the Rectifier, though. I think they stopped making those before they went 3-channel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mytola Posted January 17, 2008 Members Share Posted January 17, 2008 Oooh! European tour! You weren't planning on a short visit to Norway, were you? What is the point of bi or tri amping? If you want to add distortion to your signal, why would you want another amp to stay clean? Sorry to hijack thread, I'm just confused by all those amps. You get a very distinct and different sound when you run both clean and distorted signals at once through separate rigs. Try it someday, and you'll be amazed what the difference is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members James Hart Posted January 17, 2008 Members Share Posted January 17, 2008 What is the point of bi or tri amping? If you want to add distortion to your signal, why would you want another amp to stay clean?Sorry to hijack thread, I'm just confused by all those amps. Amy has a set clean tone... to add distortion she kicks in a second amp to add a set distorted tone to her existing clean tone.... no loss of that clean foundation. Same thing with her fx [YOUTUBE]PCy6CqZaLTI[/YOUTUBE] [YOUTUBE]kT-Un3PX0uk[/YOUTUBE] [YOUTUBE]kMX8VjxwGKc[/YOUTUBE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitargod0dmw Posted January 17, 2008 Members Share Posted January 17, 2008 You get a very distinct and different sound when you run both clean and distorted signals at once through separate rigs. Try it someday, and you'll be amazed what the difference is. +1. Exactly. Also, a lot of FX suck low end out...distortions too. If you've got one dry rig mixed with an wet rig, you'll always have a nice low end like any bass should. Triamping is the same concept...it just separates it even more. You can get a killer distortion on the top end, a nice fat low end, and then a wet amp to mix in as well. I've biamped with my 5150 for distortion/highs, and any of my bass amps for the clean lows. It sounds killer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members L-1329 Posted January 17, 2008 Members Share Posted January 17, 2008 This thread just gave me an idea. I have a Rectoverb head I was going to sell, and 212 and 412 bass cabs. I think I'll split the line and run one into the Mesa to the 212, and the other to the GBE750 and the 412 and see what happens... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RSBro Posted January 17, 2008 Members Share Posted January 17, 2008 This thread just gave me an idea. I have a Rectoverb head I was going to sell, and 212 and 412 bass cabs. I think I'll split the line and run one into the Mesa to the 212, and the other to the GBE750 and the 412 and see what happens... I predict sonic badassedness! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted January 17, 2008 Moderators Share Posted January 17, 2008 This thread just gave me an idea. I have a Rectoverb head I was going to sell, and 212 and 412 bass cabs. I think I'll split the line and run one into the Mesa to the 212, and the other to the GBE750 and the 412 and see what happens... I used a Trace SM7 eq to take some lows out and run into a Marshall JCM600 head with a bit of chorus in the FX loop into an avatar 112 bass cab. Sounded killer. Try it. As for Amy's small deal. . . . . . . .3 Mesa Walkabout Scouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members justinbass Posted January 17, 2008 Members Share Posted January 17, 2008 This thread just gave me an idea. I have a Rectoverb head I was going to sell, and 212 and 412 bass cabs. I think I'll split the line and run one into the Mesa to the 212, and the other to the GBE750 and the 412 and see what happens... WoWDon't fall in love too much. That'll be a hassle to bring along to gigs.Man. That has to sound good though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jasper383 Posted January 17, 2008 Members Share Posted January 17, 2008 +1. Exactly.Also, a lot of FX suck low end out...distortions too. If you've got one dry rig mixed with an wet rig, you'll always have a nice low end like any bass should.Triamping is the same concept...it just separates it even more. You can get a killer distortion on the top end, a nice fat low end, and then a wet amp to mix in as well. I've biamped with my 5150 for distortion/highs, and any of my bass amps for the clean lows. It sounds killer. Will the audience notice all this amping? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Onkel Bob Posted January 17, 2008 Members Share Posted January 17, 2008 Will the audience notice all this amping? Amy's band consist of a drummer and a bassist. You can be damn sure the sound of the bass matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members L-1329 Posted January 17, 2008 Members Share Posted January 17, 2008 WoW Don't fall in love too much. That'll be a hassle to bring along to gigs. Man. That has to sound good though. Here's the thing, the only part I don't already take is the Mesa head, so that's all I'm adding! I just got it wired up, now I'm going to go play in the dirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jasper383 Posted January 17, 2008 Members Share Posted January 17, 2008 Amy's band consist of a drummer and a bassist. You can be damn sure the sound of the bass matters. Of course it matters. I am just wondering if live the complexity of such a rig (especially on a foreign tour) should be primary. Amy herself is asking for advice on simplifying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Auchenorrhyncha Posted January 17, 2008 Members Share Posted January 17, 2008 her real problem is what to do with the cleans, the dirt (recto) can be switched to a 2x12 the redhead is allready small. but the clean part is the problem. you could look at some of the new trace elliot stuff that has triple effects loops for the effects and the clean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Robin Posted January 17, 2008 Members Share Posted January 17, 2008 I hate to post and run, but I have to go pick my kitty up at the vet hospital where she's been in ICU for a couple days. But I thought I'd start this thread real quick and come back this evening. I have a quandary and I'm hoping you gear heads can help me out. I need to scale down my rig for our tour of Europe but I don't want to lose my big sound and great tone. Is it possible?!?! Any suggestions on how I can put it together? Amy Are you spec'ing for the European rider? Or, do you have to bring your backline? If your spec'ing, include what you really want/have to have. The backline folks will tote that stuff for ya. They do for us anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members REMUS Posted January 17, 2008 Members Share Posted January 17, 2008 I'm getting an Aguilar 2x12 this Sunday, you can borrow that if you want Can't you just rent whatever is closest to what you have now?Are you playing in the UK, if so, I will make time to come and see you play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LanEvo Posted January 18, 2008 Members Share Posted January 18, 2008 Why not just go with two of those SWR Red Head combos (one clean; one effected) and a small Mesa 1x12" or 2x12" combo? Do you really need all that power? Alternatively, you could always go for a pair of Aguilar 1x12+horn or Bag End 1x15+coax cabs driven by a stereo head (one channel clean; the other effected) and a Mesa combo for grind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mlwarriner Posted January 18, 2008 Members Share Posted January 18, 2008 Could you rent two redheadsi tried to "rent" two redheads once.my wife got very upset :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mlwarriner Posted January 18, 2008 Members Share Posted January 18, 2008 This thread just gave me an idea. I have a Rectoverb head I was going to sell, and 212 and 412 bass cabs. I think I'll split the line and run one into the Mesa to the 212, and the other to the GBE750 and the 412 and see what happens... for even more fun, use an octave up pedal after the split, and feed the guitar amp that signal instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members georgestrings Posted January 18, 2008 Members Share Posted January 18, 2008 They don't make a Dual Rec combo. They make a Road King combo or a Roadster combo...which are both very similar to a Dual Rec...but they have more bells & whistles. The Road King is insane. I want one... My guitarist has a Road King, which he's looking to trade into a Marshall half stack - just thought I'd mention it... - georgestrings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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