Members boscal45 Posted January 31, 2008 Members Share Posted January 31, 2008 at practice for the musical tonight, our music director asked if i could solo for a bit at the end of one of the songs. my first reaction was to say no, but i figured it would be a good reason to learn how to solo. the only problem is that i dont really know how to start or finish it (except on a G). i know i will have to just feel it, but which minor scale do i follow? is there a finger chart somewhere that would show me where the notes of the scale are on the neck? the chords are "Gm Bb F Gm." do i solo over Gm the whole time, or do i change hand/scale position for each chord? thanks! pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DevilRaysFan Posted January 31, 2008 Members Share Posted January 31, 2008 at practice for the musical tonight, our music director asked if i could solo for a bit at the end of one of the songs. my first reaction was to say no, but i figured it would be a good reason to learn how to solo. the only problem is that i dont really know how to start or finish it (except on a G). i know i will have to just feel it, but which minor scale do i follow? is there a finger chart somewhere that would show me where the notes of the scale are on the neck? the chords are "Gm Bb F Gm." do i solo over Gm the whole time, or do i change hand/scale position for each chord? thanks!pete if the sheet music shows ONE flat, then its a a ii-IV-I-ii out of the key of "F" if the sheet music has TWO flats, then its a vi- I -V -vi out of Bb diatonically speaking, for one flat, you can use the Dorian mode for the Gm, Lydian mode for the Bb, and Ionian for the Ffor TWO flats, use Aeolian for the Gm, Ionian for Bb, and Mixolydian for the F if the F is dom7 family of chords ...but, in actuality, screw the modes - use them at a reachable distance - and let your bass "sing"...Think of a melody line that can fit with those chords, then SING it -- then play your bass to match what you are singing.... use the "modes" as a safety net: if you are questioning the note in your head/singing that you are trying to match on bass, fall into any of the notes of the mode Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members boscal45 Posted January 31, 2008 Author Members Share Posted January 31, 2008 ...but, in actuality, screw the modes - use them at a reachable distance - and let your bass "sing"...Think of a melody line that can fit with those chords, then SING it -- then play your bass to match what you are singing.... use the "modes" as a safety net: if you are questioning the note in your head/singing that you are trying to match on bass, fall into any of the notes of the mode that makes sense.... i think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DevilRaysFan Posted January 31, 2008 Members Share Posted January 31, 2008 so i should change to the scale that matches the chord when the chord changes? Yes -- that is correct...because not every song is diatonically correct so use the appropriate mode (or substitution mode) for the chord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members James Hart Posted January 31, 2008 Members Share Posted January 31, 2008 ...but, in actuality, screw the modes - use them at a reachable distance - and let your bass "sing"...Think of a melody line that can fit with those chords, then SING it actually you are close.... QUOTE THE MELODY OF THE TUNE!!!! Don't blow chops for the sake of chops... get a copy of the vocal melody and learn it on bass. make a piece of it fit your spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members boscal45 Posted January 31, 2008 Author Members Share Posted January 31, 2008 QUOTE THE MELODY OF THE TUNE!!!! Don't blow chops for the sake of chops... get a copy of the vocal melody and learn it on bass. make a piece of it fit your spot. ah! that makes sense for a lot of reasons. thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Pyralus Posted January 31, 2008 Members Share Posted January 31, 2008 What kind of song is it? This matters because passing tones are interpretted differently in rock than they are in Jazz. When I solo for rock, (power chords make me think it is?) I try to make my solo follow the chord progression, and if you can walk that will help with chord changing Singing the notes is really the best way. If you sit there and think "I'm gonna use such and such mode to hit this G" you're gonna miss your timing. Let it float from your fingers. If you know this much theory and if you know your fingerboard, you'll hear what's playing in your head through your fingers. If your brain is blotting out that song that's in your head, your solo is gonna suffer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Crescent Seven Posted January 31, 2008 Members Share Posted January 31, 2008 Just learn the solo for "Freewill" and throw it in there. I'm pretty sure it's in a key that's similar to F.C7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members boscal45 Posted January 31, 2008 Author Members Share Posted January 31, 2008 Just learn the solo for "Freewill" and throw it in there. I'm pretty sure it's in a key that's similar to F.C7 rush??? eww.... runs and hides.... i never got into rush. i gave them a fair shot, and i think they are all very talented musicians, but they are just not my thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Crescent Seven Posted January 31, 2008 Members Share Posted January 31, 2008 i never got into rush. i gave them a fair shot, and i think they are all very talented musicians, but they are just not my thing. I don't care if you like them, use the damn solo from "Freewill"! C7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Goofball Jones Posted January 31, 2008 Members Share Posted January 31, 2008 just break into "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida" at the end....then go on for the next 23 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DevilRaysFan Posted January 31, 2008 Members Share Posted January 31, 2008 actually you are close.... Close? Ha- You do it your way, I'll do it mine Actually, I do like to quote the melody of the tune a lot, but sometimes I find that its fun just to just create a whole other melody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mrcrow Posted January 31, 2008 Members Share Posted January 31, 2008 the solo needs to be close to and include some of the melody to integrate to the listeners earsinterpretation phrasing and variation are better than a lot of 'smart' notes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members UK_Lefty Posted January 31, 2008 Members Share Posted January 31, 2008 I think your only option is to play the main riff from "another one bites the dust" its appropriate for any (bass) situation...:blah: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mrcrow Posted January 31, 2008 Members Share Posted January 31, 2008 people tend to listen and remember 'interesting' hook linesthe simpler the better imho..think of all the 60-70's bass lines..usually just 3-4-5 notes played in different octaves or modes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fretless Posted January 31, 2008 Members Share Posted January 31, 2008 [YOUTUBE]Y6vdZ_b0l_U[/YOUTUBE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Les_Izzmor Posted January 31, 2008 Members Share Posted January 31, 2008 The bass isn't a solo instrument. Tell the musical director he is an idiot and you'll have no such silliness. That should do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fretless Posted January 31, 2008 Members Share Posted January 31, 2008 [YOUTUBE]tj-G2ChlpeU[/YOUTUBE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Goofball Jones Posted January 31, 2008 Members Share Posted January 31, 2008 Why doesn't Wooten play a real bass in that clip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Pine Apple Slim Posted January 31, 2008 Members Share Posted January 31, 2008 Why not just Gm pentatonic, a basic blues box? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Funkee1 Posted January 31, 2008 Members Share Posted January 31, 2008 Why not just Gm pentatonic, a basic blues box? +1! The "Blues scale" is the perfect fix- all for solos, and it works in any key, major or minor!! R-3-4-4#-5-b7-octave! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members chris-dax Posted January 31, 2008 Members Share Posted January 31, 2008 Just learn the solo for "Freewill" and throw it in there. I'm pretty sure it's in a key that's similar to F.C7 I say load up on beer and amphetimines and then tear into Pachabels Canon... try to simulate a real canon ala 1812 Overture for a real memorable solo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bassius Posted January 31, 2008 Members Share Posted January 31, 2008 play in F major the whole time and use your ear... TRUST ME Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members catphish Posted January 31, 2008 Members Share Posted January 31, 2008 +1! The "Blues scale" is the perfect fix- all for solos, and it works in any key, major or minor!! R-3-4-4#-5-b7-octave! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members chris-dax Posted January 31, 2008 Members Share Posted January 31, 2008 play in F major the whole time and use your ear... TRUST ME TRUST HIM.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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