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Best illegitimate child cover up, ever.

 

 

good call...had a father and mother...but seeded by a third party

 

question on the trinity follows next

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Rob Martinez Newbie

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100% man, 100% god. The Trinity is not a math problem, nor is it a riddle. It is a mystery, meaning something we can always learn more about, but not know everything about.

 

Debates about Jesus' divinity go back, hell, to his trial with the Sadducees. Arius, a 4th century priest, called Christ's divinity into question, claiming Christ was like God, or kind of God, but not equal to the Father. He almost succeeded in converting the whole of Christendom to this heresy, save for another priest named Athanatius, now a saint in the Church for combating Arianism. The pope at the time sided with St. Athanatius, and Arius was promptly excommunicated.

 

So, for true believers in Christ, Jesus is both completely human and completely God.

 

If not a believer, then a convenient target for lame jokes and someone to blame for other people's faults and shortcoming.

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100% man, 100% god. The Trinity is not a math problem, nor is it a riddle. It is a mystery, meaning something we can always learn more about, but not know everything about.


Debates about Jesus' divinity go back, hell, to his trial with the Sadducees. Arius, a 4th century priest, called Christ's divinity into question, claiming Christ was like God, or kind of God, but not equal to the Father. He almost succeeded in converting the whole of Christendom to this heresy, save for another priest named Athanatius, now a saint in the Church for combating Arianism. The pope at the time sided with St. Athanatius, and Arius was promptly excommunicated.


So, for true believers in Christ, Jesus is both completely human and completely God.

 

That's the church answer, put it in non-church terms. :poke:

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100% man, 100% god. The Trinity is not a math problem, nor is it a riddle. It is a mystery, meaning something we can always learn more about, but not know everything about.


Debates about Jesus' divinity go back, hell, to his trial with the Sadducees. Arius, a 4th century priest, called Christ's divinity into question, claiming Christ was like God, or kind of God, but not equal to the Father. He almost succeeded in converting the whole of Christendom to this heresy, save for another priest named Athanatius, now a saint in the Church for combating Arianism. The pope at the time sided with St. Athanatius, and Arius was promptly excommunicated.


So, for true believers in Christ, Jesus is both completely human and completely God.


If not a believer, then a convenient target for lame jokes and someone to blame for other people's faults and shortcoming.

 

 

 

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I hate where it started
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Hahaha fair enough!

 

Lets just put our fingers in our ears and start humming this:

 

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I'm all for debate, but people can't seem to stop fighting when it comes to Jesus. The irony of which makes me sigh.

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I'm all for debate, but people can't seem to stop fighting when it comes to Jesus. The irony of which makes me sigh.

 

Religion and politics: the two topics to avoid if you want to make a good first impression on somebody.

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was Jesus fully man, fully God or a combination of both

 

 

Well, kind of...

As I understand the Bible, Jesus is the fullness of God demonstrated in the flesh on the earth to reconcile mankind back to his creator.

 

Fully man and fully God...if not, His death was meaningless - But it wasn't!!!

 

Thankfully, God has made eternal life free for any who would trust Him...

 

Hope this helps

 

Dan

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Rob Martinez Newbie

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That's the church answer, put it in non-church terms. :poke:

 

Oh, in NON church terms!

 

Jesus is total man! He's the Mexican guy down the street who works at the local community center, Jesus Garcia!:thu:

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There is a lot of worth in the alleged words of the man Jesus. But let's not pretend he was divine.

 

Nobody knows whether or not god(s) exist, but if they do, I have a hard time believing literally in the existence of the personal god Yahweh of the Bible--he was merely a god who became the patron god of some sects of ancient Hebrews. He's a fictional character with roots in earlier, different cultures.

 

Just as the Bible is mythology, based on earlier, other mythologies (primarily Mesopotamian, Sumerian, babylonian, Greek and Egyptian.)

 

The fact that the Bible is mythological does not mean that it is lies.

 

The Bible contains a good deal of wisdom, philosophical "truth", majesty and mystery. But let's not pretend it's literally true.

 

(Incidentally, the concept of the Trinity isn't even biblical.)

 

Moreover, the story of a demi-god, born of a god or a virgin but taking human form, being martyred and then resurrected was old and common enough during the time Jesus is said to have lived to be considered an archetypical symbol. Dionysis, Osiris, Mithras and Romulus/Remus are only some of the earlier literary/mythological figures to whom many of these supernatural, divine aspects were attributed.

 

To look at this literally is nonsense. It's indefensible and groundless. As a myth (a different, perhaps even higher form of "truth") it speaks to us all.

 

The Bible does contain some history. So does the work of Homer. But it is far more of a mythical/allegorical/symbolic collection of writings largely culled from the beliefs of earlier cultures.

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There is a lot of worth in the alleged words of the man Jesus. But let's not pretend he was divine.


Nobody knows whether or not god(s) exist, but if they do, I have a hard time believing literally in the existence of the personal god Yahweh of the Bible--he was merely a god who became the patron god of some sects of ancient Hebrews. He's a fictional character with roots in earlier, different cultures.


Just as the Bible is mythology, based on earlier, other mythologies (primarily Mesopotamian, Sumerian, babylonian, Greek and Egyptian.)


The fact that the Bible is mythological does not mean that it is
lies
.


The Bible contains a good deal of wisdom, philosophical "truth", majesty and mystery. But let's not pretend it's literally true.


(Incidentally, the concept of the Trinity isn't even biblical.)


Moreover, the story of a demi-god, born of a god or a virgin but taking human form, being martyred and then resurrected was old and common enough during the time Jesus is said to have lived to be considered an archetypical symbol. Dionysis, Osiris, Mithras and Romulus/Remus are only some of the earlier literary/mythological figures to whom many of these supernatural, divine aspects were attributed.


To look at this literally is nonsense. It's indefensible and groundless. As a
myth
(a different, perhaps even higher
form
of "truth") it speaks to us all.


The Bible does contain some history. So does the work of Homer. But it is far more of a mythical/allegorical/symbolic collection of writings largely culled from the beliefs of earlier cultures.

 

 

Non church answers, please!:poke:

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