what does "crafted in USA" mean?

[Krazybob]

I'm looking at buying a Peavey Foundation bass, and some on Ebay, say "made in the USA" and others say "crafted in the USA". Anyone enlighten me as to what the difference is? Maybe the one that says "crafted", is only designed in the USA, but manufactured in a foriegn country ? I believe that the older ones say "made", and the newer ones say "crafted"

Krazy~

[Funkee1]

I think you hit it on the head. "Crafted in the USA' probably means it was designed in the USA, but assembled in China, Malaysia, Czech Republic, Mexico or wherever. "Made in the USA" probably means it was all made here.

 

Who cares? If it plays nice and sounds good, get it!

[Super Bass]

It means they don't meet the qualifications to earn the Made in USA title. Some parts are made in another country but the guitar is assembled in the USA.

 

They probably had the necks made elsewhere tbh, a good few companies do that. But I can't say for sure...

[Rippin' Robin]

Some very nice basses coming out of the Czech Republic...

 

 

Mmmm, Spector euro..

[Bogster]

At any rate, they are entirely underrated basses (like a lot of Peavey gear), so if you can get one at a good price, then do it. I speak as a Foundation owner. I've had my '86 Foundation for years and it's the only bass that's survived several bands and countless trades-ins and "downsizing".

[JeffBass]

I played a Scorpio BXP 4 string bass and for 350.00 bucks it was quite solid.

[Craig Vecchione]

 

Who cares? If it plays nice and sounds good, get it!

 

 

Ever consider that you might have an easier time finding a good job if more goods were made here?

[Craig Vecchione]

I'm looking at buying a Peavey Foundation bass, and some on Ebay, say "made in the USA" and others say "crafted in the USA". Anyone enlighten me as to what the difference is? Maybe the one that says "crafted", is only designed in the USA, but manufactured in a foriegn country ? I believe that the older ones say "made", and the newer ones say "crafted" Krazy~

 

"Made in USA" means the product must be 100% of US material and must be manufactured in the US. "Negligible" amounts of foreign material are permitted.

 

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/madeusa.shtm

 

"Crafted in USA" don't mean diddly.

[bbl]

 

Ever consider that you might have an easier time finding a good job if more goods were made here?

 

 

I know this question was put to Funkee, but since I agree with his sentiment, and since this is an open forum, I'll answer.

 

No.

 

If more goods were made here, those goods would be more expensive, since our wages are much higher (due to our higher standard of living).

 

So we'd have to pay for that, as we do now whenever we choose to buy "Made in USA." That leaves less dollars in our pockets to spend on other goods, which means less jobs.

 

Can you demonstrate that outsourcing has resulted in a net loss of American jobs? If you can, please do, because the brightest economists can't.

[Kindness]

 

Can you demonstrate that outsourcing has resulted in a net loss of American jobs? If you can, please do, because the brightest economists can't.

 

 

Exactly.

[Craig Vecchione]

 

I know this question was put to Funkee, but since I agree with his sentiment, and since this is an open forum, I'll answer. No. If more goods were made here, those goods would be more expensive, since our wages are much higher (due to our higher standard of living). So we'd have to pay for that, as we do now whenever we choose to buy "Made in USA." That leaves less dollars in our pockets to spend on other goods, which means less jobs. Can you demonstrate that outsourcing has resulted in a net loss of American jobs? If you can, please do, because the brightest economists can't.

 

 

 

It doesn't take a brilliant economist to understand that if you buy more than you sell, you eventually go bankrupt.

 

Is there some other reason for the unemployment rate being as high as it is? High enough that there's a federal emergency extension in benefits. Do tell.

[bbl]

Is there some other reason for the unemployment rate being as high as it is? High enough that there's a federal emergency extension in benefits. Do tell.

 

I blame Bush! Duh.

 

But seriously, there are many possible reasons. Neither of us is going to find a simple answer to a complex question (it IS a complex question because there are many factors that affect employment).

 

If I had to take an uneducated guess, I'd guess that we're in a period of tightening credit, which limits expansion, which limits job growth. We're also coming out of the largest housing boom in history, and a lot of homeowners were using their equity to support their spending. That's dried up, now.

 

If you believe that outsourcing has caused this "high level" of unemployment, you should find some support for it, preferably from a respected economist. After all, that type of support would be gold to either of the candidates during this election year.

[Craig Vecchione]

I blame Bush! Duh. But seriously, there are many possible reasons. Neither of us is going to find a simple answer to a complex question (it IS a complex question because there are many factors that affect employment). If I had to take an uneducated guess, I'd guess that we're in a period of tightening credit, which limits expansion, which limits job growth. We're also coming out of the largest housing boom in history, and a lot of homeowners were using their equity to support their spending. That's dried up, now. If you believe that outsourcing has caused this "high level" of unemployment, you should find some support for it, preferably from a respected economist. After all, that type of support would be gold to either of the candidates during this election year.

 

Is there some indication that jobs lost to outsourcing are replaced with others? I don't see this. I also haven't spoken with anyone who's had a raise that was higher than 4%, with most getting 2% if anything, and many getting none at all in the last 5 years. And I know people in a very wide range of jobs ranging from construction to upper management corporate positions. Salary stagnation is a very bad sign, especially when costs have been rising steadily.

 

The credit crunch is a recent development of the past 2 years and doesn't speak to any of the trends that have been occuring before this.

[T. Alan Smith]

Our economy has moved from a manufacturing/production-based economy to a service-based economy.

 

I'm finally making close to what my Dad made a quarter century ago.

 

Now, both Dad & MOM think they need to work to put a flatpanel TV in every room.

 

Talk to CS in India lately? I have.

 

So our government has done a fine job.

[Craig Vecchione]

 

Our economy has moved from a manufacturing/production-based economy to a service-based economy. > Our wages have lowered in the process. I'm finally making close to what my Dad made a quarter century ago. > Our population has demanded a higher standard of living. Now, both Dad & MOM think they need to work to put a flatpanel TV in every room. > Our now service-based economy is moving overseas. Talk to CS in India lately? I have. So our government has done a fine job.

 

 

I'm now making what I made 10 years ago, when I'm working, so I guess I'm ahead of the game eh?

 

We should be demanding a higher standard of living, considering it's gone backwards for quite a few years.

 

Indeed our now service-based economy is being shipped offshore to whatever extent it can.

 

But don't *just* blame the government. Blame yourself every time you buy something with the Made in China sticker on the bottom. Blame the corporations that have embraced profit over loyalty to the people who got them where they were in the first place.

[T. Alan Smith]

I'm now making what I made 10 years ago, when I'm working, so I guess I'm ahead of the game eh? We should be demanding a higher standard of living, considering it's gone backwards for quite a few years. Indeed our now service-based economy is being shipped offshore to whatever extent it can. But don't *just* blame the government. Blame yourself every time you buy something with the Made in China sticker on the bottom. Blame the corporations that have embraced profit over loyalty to the people who got them where they were in the first place.

 

It's gotten nearly impossible to buy American for much of our expenses.

I try to balance what I buy. Take my rig, for example. While my amp head is Italian, my cab is American. My basses are American...but my car is German.

Your correct that it's not wholly the governments fault. It's corporate greed by far. But that just brings us back to the gubment, doesn't it?

Greed over loyalty. Seriously, I understand that loyalty doesn't pay the bills, but greed shouldn't be necessary to pay the bills either.

Here's another angle- what percentage of our once American companies are now owned by overseas corporations/individuals?

[JeffBass]

I know this question was put to Funkee, but since I agree with his sentiment, and since this is an open forum, I'll answer. No. If more goods were made here, those goods would be more expensive, since our wages are much higher (due to our higher standard of living). So we'd have to pay for that, as we do now whenever we choose to buy "Made in USA." That leaves less dollars in our pockets to spend on other goods, which means less jobs. Can you demonstrate that outsourcing has resulted in a net loss of American jobs? If you can, please do, because the brightest economists can't.

just bought an American made Carvin BX1200 and it quite honestly is the best amp I've ever used and it only cost 570.00.

American companies compete quite well when they are smart, efficient, and dedicated to quality. When they are a vehicle

for a privileged few to get filthy rich, they suck. Unfortunately there are too few of the former and too many of the later.

The average American makes what he did 12 years ago when adjusted for inflation and taxes. The biggest reason for this

is the outsourcing of quality jobs, the influx of immigrant/H-1B visa workers and the watering down of anti-trust laws.

If you have worked in IS for the last 15 years you know exactly what I mean. If you have watched your bills go up (do to a lack

of competition) you know what I mean.

Many of the displaced workers found other jobs but those jobs rarely pay as well and many come without any benefits, meaning

more out-of-pocket dollars for health care, more working hours and less job satisfaction. Both parties are responsible but the

Dems crying foul over it is beyond hypocrisy. The balance is no longer there because the Dems sold out the middle class.

They are now the party who gets rich divvying up what's left of our money through gross taxation and outright socialism. By any

standard they under-perform at everything and Illinois is proof! Yes I'm angry!

Meanwhile back in Alaska, Sarah Palin has reformed goverment to the tune of an 80 percent approval rating! Who says we can't

drill our way out of recession? Heck there's some dude in LA who's drills for oil on his own property and lives comfortably off the

profits. I saw it on 60 Minutes! Right in the heart of town and he isn't mucking up the environment either.

In Alaska, the average family of 4 is set to make 13 grand in oil dividents because Palin worked out a deal with the oil companies.

That's more money for everything and 13 grand in Alaska is like 25 grand here in Illinois! That's government for the people!

Meanwhile Obama's talk of change is losing it's luster because people don't believe that a do nothing Senator who picked an old liberal

for a running mate and came from the most politically corrupt area in the country represents change.

He sure talks a good game, if you like lipstick on an Octopus!

[bbl]

 

Is there some indication that jobs lost to outsourcing are replaced with others? I don't see this.

 

 

I don't know. All I know is that no one has shown that outsourcing results in a net loss of jobs. That's your claim, no? Your suggestion?

 

But in theory, if you buy the lowest-priced goods, you have more dollars to spend elsewhere. That creates more jobs to replace the outsourcing loss.

 

I agree with you about real wages. But again, are you saying that outsourcing is to blame for that? If so, how?

 

How about global competition? We're not the only economic player on the block anymore. Yet we want to maintain the same standard of living.

 

There are kids in China and India who live in abject poverty and work their asses off to have what we have. They now have access to information they never had before.

 

We're not entitled to maintain a higher standard of living unless we work harder and smarter than the competition.

 

I don't see how buying exports, or the government, is to blame here.

[bbl]

 

Your correct that it's not wholly the governments fault. It's corporate greed by far.

 

 

You say corporate greed, I say corporate survival.

 

Capital always flows to where it can be used most efficiently. And we're in a global economy now.

[T. Alan Smith]

 

I don't know. All I know is that no one has shown that outsourcing results in a net loss of jobs. That's your claim, no? Your suggestion? But in theory, if you buy the lowest-priced goods, you have more dollars to spend elsewhere. That creates more jobs to replace the outsourcing loss. I agree with you about real wages. But again, are you saying that outsourcing is to blame for that? If so, how? How about global competition? We're not the only economic player on the block anymore. Yet we want to maintain the same standard of living. There are kids in China and India who live in abject poverty and work their asses off to have what we have. They now have access to information they never had before. We're not entitled to maintain a higher standard of living unless we work harder and smarter than the competition. I don't see how buying exports, or the government, is to blame here.

 

 

You just answered your own question- it's the global economy.

 

What I assume your saying is, the right way to pull is thru is good ol' American ingenuity?

[T. Alan Smith]

 

You say corporate greed, I say corporate survival. Capital always flows to where it can be used most efficiently . And we're in a global economy now.

 

 

Yeah, I suppose it's tough developing an asset base to ensure you can give your top chairs multi million dollar bonuses atop their salaries, atop their...

[bbl]

 

You just answered your own question- it's the global economy. What I assume your saying is, the right way to pull is thru is good ol' American ingenuity?

 

 

Yes! American ingenuity, innovation and hard work. It's the only way. Gov't intervention doesn't work in the long run. Never has. And we can't expect people to always buy American. Price elasticity ain't going away.

 

And I believe we still have that competitive advantage and will use it do be more productive and foster innovation.

 

We will, however, NEED to rely on cheap overseas goods and cheap overseas labor to survive. We're facing a serious retiring "age wave" (as is Europe). Less producers, more consumers = demand side inflation.

[bbl]

Yeah, I suppose it's tough developing an asset base to ensure you can give your top chairs multi million dollar bonuses atop their salaries, atop their...

 

Anyone who buys stock can speak with their dollars and votes on this one. Warren Buffett always makes for entertaining reading, and he has a lot to say about this.

 

It's still a good ol' boys club. Boards are often in bed with other boards (IIRC, one person can still serve on multiple boards), and they rely on executive compensation committees who are few and far between, and are hired by and paid by... the executives.

 

It's similar to MLB salaries, imo. One 1B thinks he should be the 3rd-highest paid 1B, so he points to Jason Giambi as the standard. But who determined Giambi's salary? Market forces? Or George Stienbrenner?

[JeffBass]

Yeah, I suppose it's tough developing an asset base to ensure you can give your top chairs multi million dollar bonuses atop their salaries, atop their...

 

CEO's are making gazzilions by dumping American workers and it has nothing to do with efficiency. It has to do with GREED. The shareholder ain't seeing it and the little guy's investments don't reflect it.

[Bogster]

Jeez...I just wanted to know if he's getting the bass.